Is your faith or belief in Cristianity based upon a belief in the bible or some other

[mee]

Originally Posted by Marcion

No I don't believe the modern Bible is the inerrant word of God. At least not divine revelation material. Inspired yes I think all the writers were inspired by their understanding of God, and I'll give my respect for each and every one of them. But I also believe most of the NT was altered from earlier writings to support a Judeo-Christian doctrine. I believe in a purely Christian doctrine with no connection to Judaism. I believe God the Father is higher than Jehovah and was previously unknown until Christ came and revealed Him for the first time. To me Jehovah is the Satan of the NT, and his religions are ritualistic, rigid, and imperfect, and therefore could not come from the pure message of Christ's love.

The contrasting gods speak for themselves imo


CHRIST - For an evil tree bringeth forth not good fruit; neither does a good tree bring forth evil fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. ~ Luke 6:43,44
JEHOVAH - I am the Lord, and there is none else; I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil...
Isaiah 45:6,7

regarding Isaiah 45; 6,7. Jehovah is a rightous God and a savior. i think this scripture is a stumbling block to some because of translation errors .i like the way some translations get back to the original meanings such as this
in order that people may know from the rising of the sun and from its setting that there is none besides me. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. Forming light and creating darkness, making peace and creating calamity, I, Jehovah, am doing all these things(isaiah 45;6,7.)

JEHOVAH’S promises are reliable. He is the God of revelation and the God of creation. Time and again he has proved to be a righteous God and a Savior of people of all nations. These are some of the heartwarming assurances found in Isaiah chapter 45.

In addition, Isaiah chapter 45 contains a remarkable example of Jehovah’s prophetic ability. God’s spirit enables Isaiah to gaze upon distant countries and to survey events in centuries to come, and it moves him to describe an episode that only Jehovah, the God of true prophecy, could foretell with such accuracy.

Everything in creation—from light to darkness—and everything in history—from peace to calamity—is subject to Jehovah’s control. Just as he creates the light of day and the darkness of night, so he will make peace for Israel and calamity for Babylon Jehovah has the power to create the universe, and he also has the power to fulfill his prophecies. That is reassuring to Christians today, who closely study his prophetic word.so just as jehovah made peace for his people back then so he will do again

Because Jehovah’s promises are reliable, as the prophetic words found in Isaiah chapter 45 so clearly show. Just as Jehovah had the power and wisdom to create the heavens and the earth, so he has the power and wisdom to cause his prophecies to come true. And just as he saw to it that the prophecy concerning Cyrus came true, so he will fulfill any other Bible prophecy that still awaits fulfillment. Worshipers of Jehovah, therefore, can be confident that soon Jehovah will again prove to be "a righteous God and a Savior.so there is no conflict between jehovah and jesus because jesus is the one Jehovah is using to accomplish his purpose

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Marcion

No I don't believe the modern Bible is the inerrant word of God. At least not divine revelation material. Inspired yes I think all the writers were inspired by their understanding of God, and I'll give my respect for each and every one of them. But I also believe most of the NT was altered from earlier writings to support a Judeo-Christian doctrine. I believe in a purely Christian doctrine with no connection to Judaism. I believe God the Father is higher than Jehovah and was previously unknown until Christ came and revealed Him for the first time. To me Jehovah is the Satan of the NT, and his religions are ritualistic, rigid, and imperfect, and therefore could not come from the pure message of Christ's love.

The contrasting gods speak for themselves imo


CHRIST - For an evil tree bringeth forth not good fruit; neither does a good tree bring forth evil fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. ~ Luke 6:43,44
JEHOVAH - I am the Lord, and there is none else; I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil...
Isaiah 45:6,7

I presume from what is written above that yours is a Gnostic perspective?

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[Marcion]

No Quahom that is not a Gnostic interpretation, it's a Dualist one. We're a separate religion apart from both Gnosticism and Christianity, and have our own sacred scriptures and beliefs apart from the Bible

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Marcion

No Quahom that is not a Gnostic interpretation, it's a Dualist one. We're a separate religion apart from both Gnosticism and Christianity, and have our own sacred scriptures and beliefs apart from the Bible

I stand corrected



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[Faithfulservant]

The Spirit interprets the bible for us.. He also can use any means necessary to get the truth out to us.. There have always been beautiful Spirit-filled Christians who cannot read a word that somehow got the truth.. Not to very long ago..education was limited to the wealthy and people could not read.

I choose not to limit God to one version of the bible.. Who am I to limit God in any way?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

The Spirit interprets the bible for us.. He also can use any means necessary to get the truth out to us.. There have always been beautiful Spirit-filled Christians who cannot read a word that somehow got the truth.. Not to very long ago..education was limited to the wealthy and people could not read.

I choose not to limit God to one version of the bible.. Who am I to limit God in any way?

Peace maker...

[Faithfulservant]

its middle child syndrome

[truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Marcion

No Quahom that is not a Gnostic interpretation, it's a Dualist one. We're a separate religion apart from both Gnosticism and Christianity, and have our own sacred scriptures and beliefs apart from the Bible

Separate religion apart from Christianity -
But you believe in a purely Christian doctrine with no connection to Judaism.
God the Father is higher than Jehovah?
Jehovah is the Satan of the New Testament?
Wow.
And please believe me when I tell you right now that I am not making fun.

What draws you to this Christian board?
How can your doctrine be purely Christian with no connection to Judaism when Jesus was a Jew?
Does this religion alienate you?
What is a Dualist?

[rudiger]

My finding of the truth was based on pray in a time of need, I've seen the world of greed and selfishness.

The church divided due to this fact I turned my face from all church’s for understanding.
Instead I learnt deception, lies, theft, slandering, hate, and murderous intentions, for self-image as I had become with the world and it's ways.
I fitted in well and I was respected.
Smoked sense I was eight years old, smoked dope since I was 13 years of age.
My father I loved died when I was 14 years of age, I used to hide behind his back and do this evils.
When I was seven years old I fell to the ground with this dead feeling of movement I couldn't move, and then a voice entered my head, it was strange for I could hear it as if I heard someone speaking to me as normal.
The voice said to me in a witch like tone I will get you at the end, and then laughed like a crazy person over and over again.
I cried and cried but no one could hear me, then I said a prayer to God then the voice disappeared.
I remember the voice till this very day, as time went passed I made myself believe it was my figure of imagination and that was the end of that.
Now relating back to the beginning of this testimony came to a point of wanting to seek the truth of life and to understand.
I prayed to God and asked to understand to be understood, a few days later sitting down with a burning candle my right hand raised and closed then my thumb opened and the word meaning came, then my pointing finger open then the word reconciliation came, then the next finger opened then the word creation came, but the amazing thing was I understood the meaning.
I understood that meaning is God almighty reconciliation is Christ Jesus and creation is all.
Not only did I understand this but from God the meaning through Christ Jesus the reconciliation came all creation, making Jesus our Father in the bosom of God almighty father of all creation, wow!
Then I knew within myself I must do the meaning first to be reconciled into reconciliation to become one with all creation, I never new the word reconciliation before or the word reconciled but here I am writing these words down and knowing the meaning of them.
Then I concentrated on what was required of me to do the meaning of God's will.
Amazing enough the word came to me, love God with all your heart mind soul and strength and love your neighbour like yourself.
As this accrued with a deep sense of love with in my heart for God lord Jesus Christ and all creation, As I was reconciled into the mind and body of Christ Lord Jesus and received Holy spirit.
I came to understand creation in knowledge of understanding through given reasoning of mind, being reborn in spirit and filled with new light to overcome my old dirty light.
Still every day I am at war with my old self, it seems to try and penetrate back into me some days more then others.
I’m glad I understand why due to the teachings of the Holy scriptures, for when you clean your house your evil spirit comes back and finds it clean and finds no resting place then it joins with more wicked ones to enter back.
But my lord God is with me with his shield to protect me as long as I keep his requirements, which is now my desire the good fight will be won... Amen.
The lord God through Christ Jesus by Holy Spirit Has sown me the light of understanding in spirit and truth, with all knowledge imbedded in my heart like a scrip caved in a rock. MEANING RECONCILIATION CREATION TEACHING GUIDANCE CHOICE DESTINATION in this precise principle order.
As I know the temple of God is within us and he looking for worship in spirit and truth, ask knock and seek to understand to be understood from the one father one leader and teacher and you will be answered in love. Amen

[Abogado del Diablo]

Originally Posted by Marcion

No Quahom that is not a Gnostic interpretation, it's a Dualist one. We're a separate religion apart from both Gnosticism and Christianity, and have our own sacred scriptures and beliefs apart from the Bible

Would you mind fleshing this out a bit, Marcion? I studied "dualism" as part of my philosophy background but it had to do with the mind-body problem rather than religious symbolism. What's up (in a nutshell)?