Is Tupac Shakur a Prophet?

[Postmaster]

The majority of the stuff yes but not all.. White people enslaved the blacks brining them in for work and then later on were discriminated by society causing these Ghettos. His mum was part of a movement known as the black panthers which was an activist human rights group for black people. Was tupac actually a Christian or Muslim? Cause he seemed to take up both theologies.

What does he mean by?

Baby Capone's, livin wealthy

Pictures of my birth on this Earth is what I'm dreamin
Seein Daddy's semen, full of crooked demons,

Guessing he felt like he lived on a different planet to other people?

[YO-ELEVEN-11]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

White people enslaved the blacks brining them in for work and then later on were discriminated by society causing these Ghettos.

This is true.
(IMHO)In most of his song's when he speaks of this it is to get the peole in the "ghetto" to realize the history of the "ghetto" and to change their ways. i.e. stop robbing and killing each other and focus on things that will help end their plight.

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Was tupac actually a Christian or Muslim? Cause he seemed to take up both theologies.

I Found this interview with Tupac and he talks ablut what religion he is and about what he believes. Thier is a little cussing in the paragraph, but it is his own words on the subject matter. Hope this helps.


I'm the religion that to me is the realist religion there is. I try to pray to God every night unless I pass out. I learned this in jail. I talked to every God [member of the Five Percent Nation] there was in jail. I think that if you take one of the "O's" out of "Good" it's "God," if you add a "D" to "Evil," it's the "Devil." I think some cool motherfucker sat down a long time ago and said, Let's figure out a way to control motherfuckers. That's what they came up with-the bible. 'Cause if God wrote the bible, I'm sure there would have been a revised copy by now. 'Cause a lot of **** has changed. I've been looking for this revised copy-I still see that same old copy that we had from then. I'm not disrespecting anyone's religion, please forgive me if it comes off that way, I'm just stating my opinion.

The bible tells us that all these people did this because they suffered so much, that's what makes them special people. I got shot five times and I got crucified in the media, And I walked through with the thorns on, and I had **** thrown on me, and I had the word thief at the top; I told that nigga, "I'll be back for you. Trust me, it's not supposed to be going down, I'll will be back." I'm not saying I'm Jesus, but I'm saying we go through that type of things every day. We don't part the Red Sea, but we walk through the 'hood without getting shot. We don't turn water to wine, but we turn dope fiends and dope heads into productive citizens of society. We turn words into money-what greater gift can there be? So I believe God blesses us, I believe God blesses those that hustle. Those that use their minds and those that averall are righteous. I believe that everything you do bad comes back to you. So everything that I do that's bad, I'm going to suffer for it. But in my heart, I believe what I'm doing in my heart is right. So I feel like I'm going to heaven.

I think heaven is just when you sleep, you sleep with a good concience-you don't have nightmares. Hell is when you sleep, the last things you see is all the fucked-up things you did in your life and you just see it over and over again, 'cause bullets burn. There's people that got burned in fires, does that mean they went to hell already? All that is here. What do you got there that we ain't seen here? What, we're gonna walk around aimlessly like zombies? That's here! You ain't been on the streets lately? Heaven now, look! [he gestures to his plush apartment.] We're sitting up here in the living room, big-screen TV-this is heaven, for a moment. Hell is jail-I seen that one. Trust me, this is what's real. And all that other **** is to control you.

If the churches took half the money that they was making and gave it back to the community, we'd be all right. If they took half the buildings that they use to "praise God" and gave it to motherfuckers who need God, we'd be all right. Have you seen some of these got-damn churches lately? There's homeless people out here. Why ain't God lettin' them stay here? Why these niggas got gold ceilings and ****? Why God need gold ceilings to talk to me? Why does God need colored windows to talk to me? Why God can't come here I'm at where he sent me? If God wanted to talk to me in a pretty spot like that, why the hell he send me here then? That makes ghetto kids not believe in God. Why? So that's wrong religion-I believe in God, I believe God puts us wherever we wants to be at. That didn't make sense that God would put us in the ghetto. That means he wants us to work hard to get up out of here. That means he's testing us even more. That makes sense that if you're good in your heart, you're closer to God, but if you're evil, then you're closer to the devil; that makes sense! I see that everyday all that other spooky ****, don't make sense. I don't even believe, I'm not dissin' them, but I don't believe in the brothers, I've been in jail with 'em and having conversations with brothers; "I'm God, I'm God." You God, open the gate for me. You know how far the sun is and how far the moon is, how the hell do I pop this fuckin' gate? And get me free and up outta here. Then I'll be a Five Percenter for life.

Originally Posted by Postmaster

What does he mean by?
Baby Capone's, livin wealthy

This means small time "gangsters" are living more wealthy than honest people. Just to enlighten you, Al Capone was America's best known gangster and the single greatest symbol of the collapse of law and order in the United States during the 1920s

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Pictures of my birth on this Earth is what I'm dreamin
Seein Daddy's semen, full of crooked demons,

I "think" he was tring to picture how he came to this world and tellin the world that his father was not a good man at the time because he was born out of wedlock and under "demonic" conditions. He felt like his father was a crooked man. In short , being born into a demonic world. I could be wrong though.

[YO-ELEVEN-11]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

White people enslaved the blacks brining them in for work and then later on were discriminated by society causing these Ghettos.

This is true.
(IMHO)In most of his song's when he speaks of this it is to get the peole in the "ghetto" to realize the history of the "ghetto" and to change their ways. i.e. stop robbing and killing each other and focus on things that will help end their plight.

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Was tupac actually a Christian or Muslim? Cause he seemed to take up both theologies.

I Found this interview with Tupac and he talks ablut what religion he is and about what he believes. Thier is a little cussing in the paragraph, but it is his own words on the subject matter. Hope this helps.


I'm the religion that to me is the realist religion there is. I try to pray to God every night unless I pass out. I learned this in jail. I talked to every God [member of the Five Percent Nation] there was in jail. I think that if you take one of the "O's" out of "Good" it's "God," if you add a "D" to "Evil," it's the "Devil." I think some cool motherfucker sat down a long time ago and said, Let's figure out a way to control motherfuckers. That's what they came up with-the bible. 'Cause if God wrote the bible, I'm sure there would have been a revised copy by now. 'Cause a lot of **** has changed. I've been looking for this revised copy-I still see that same old copy that we had from then. I'm not disrespecting anyone's religion, please forgive me if it comes off that way, I'm just stating my opinion.

The bible tells us that all these people did this because they suffered so much, that's what makes them special people. I got shot five times and I got crucified in the media, And I walked through with the thorns on, and I had **** thrown on me, and I had the word thief at the top; I told that nigga, "I'll be back for you. Trust me, it's not supposed to be going down, I'll will be back." I'm not saying I'm Jesus, but I'm saying we go through that type of things every day. We don't part the Red Sea, but we walk through the 'hood without getting shot. We don't turn water to wine, but we turn dope fiends and dope heads into productive citizens of society. We turn words into money-what greater gift can there be? So I believe God blesses us, I believe God blesses those that hustle. Those that use their minds and those that averall are righteous. I believe that everything you do bad comes back to you. So everything that I do that's bad, I'm going to suffer for it. But in my heart, I believe what I'm doing in my heart is right. So I feel like I'm going to heaven.

I think heaven is just when you sleep, you sleep with a good concience-you don't have nightmares. Hell is when you sleep, the last things you see is all the fucked-up things you did in your life and you just see it over and over again, 'cause bullets burn. There's people that got burned in fires, does that mean they went to hell already? All that is here. What do you got there that we ain't seen here? What, we're gonna walk around aimlessly like zombies? That's here! You ain't been on the streets lately? Heaven now, look! [he gestures to his plush apartment.] We're sitting up here in the living room, big-screen TV-this is heaven, for a moment. Hell is jail-I seen that one. Trust me, this is what's real. And all that other **** is to control you.

If the churches took half the money that they was making and gave it back to the community, we'd be all right. If they took half the buildings that they use to "praise God" and gave it to motherfuckers who need God, we'd be all right. Have you seen some of these got-damn churches lately? There's homeless people out here. Why ain't God lettin' them stay here? Why these niggas got gold ceilings and ****? Why God need gold ceilings to talk to me? Why does God need colored windows to talk to me? Why God can't come here I'm at where he sent me? If God wanted to talk to me in a pretty spot like that, why the hell he send me here then? That makes ghetto kids not believe in God. Why? So that's wrong religion-I believe in God, I believe God puts us wherever we wants to be at. That didn't make sense that God would put us in the ghetto. That means he wants us to work hard to get up out of here. That means he's testing us even more. That makes sense that if you're good in your heart, you're closer to God, but if you're evil, then you're closer to the devil; that makes sense! I see that everyday all that other spooky ****, don't make sense. I don't even believe, I'm not dissin' them, but I don't believe in the brothers, I've been in jail with 'em and having conversations with brothers; "I'm God, I'm God." You God, open the gate for me. You know how far the sun is and how far the moon is, how the hell do I pop this fuckin' gate? And get me free and up outta here. Then I'll be a Five Percenter for life.

Originally Posted by Postmaster

What does he mean by?
Baby Capone's, livin wealthy

This means small time "gangsters" are living more wealthy than honest people. Just to enlighten you, Al Capone was America's best known gangster and the single greatest symbol of the collapse of law and order in the United States during the 1920s

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Pictures of my birth on this Earth is what I'm dreamin
Seein Daddy's semen, full of crooked demons,

I "think" he was tring to picture how he came to this world and tellin the world that his father was not a good man at the time because he was born out of wedlock and under "demonic" conditions. He felt like his father was a crooked man. In short , being born into a demonic world. I could be wrong though.

[YO-ELEVEN-11]

Sorry for the double post, I do not know how that happened.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

For many many years I used to hate Tupac Shakurs music and basically everything he stood for, especially his gangster image. But the past couple of years there was a couple of his songs that grew on me and this grew and now I like a lot of his work. Some people especially in America consider him a prophet. Although I do not consider him my prophet, I want to say that he may well have been a prophet to some people and I acknowledge that he was a mysterious person. He considered himself a rose that grew from the concrete. For a child to have no choice but to be raised in a violent society and a tuff life it's only natural for him to live the way of his environment. In some of his songs he predicted his death and claimed prophetic vision. For the people who are born in the same situation as him, is he a light?

I live in a "hood".
I claim colours.
I acknowledge and "diss" others in public (music).

I have a "funny" feeling I am going to get shot.....

Wow... What a true inspirational man he was to figure that out on his own... He must be a prophet... because it's rare for gang memebers to be shot.... Please. He's about as much of a prophet as I am a freaking banana...

I wouldn't even call him a fortune teller... It's like being a person who handles snakes all his life and he says "I am going to get bitten by a snake one day soon."

[BeckyThatch]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

I live in a "hood".
I claim colours.
I acknowledge and "diss" others in public (music).

I have a "funny" feeling I am going to get shot.....

Wow... What a true inspirational man he was to figure that out on his own... He must be a prophet... because it's rare for gang memebers to be shot.... Please. He's about as much of a prophet as I am a freaking banana...

I wouldn't even call him a fortune teller... It's like being a person who handles snakes all his life and he says "I am going to get bitten by a snake one day soon."

Thanks for the yuks Angel

[Matt Langley]

For a child to have no choice but to be raised in a violent society and a tuff life it's only natural for him to live the way of his environment.

I disagree completely with every fiber of my being (though not meant offensively just my beleif). I strongly beleive we define our own self and that it definately is not defined by our environment.

To beleive so would be to downplay everyone who has grown up in a bad situation and turned out good.

I beleive Tupac was not a prophet and just had a very good side to him. I also beleive he had a bad side to him. Just like we all do. I beleive he crippled himself by beleiving there were certain acts and parts of him that were defined by his environment... Once you tell yourself you cannot change then you indeed cannot change.

One of my favorite quotes on the topic:

The difference between animals and humans is that animals change themselves for the environment, but humans change the environment for themselves.

[Caimanson]

Originally Posted by Matt Langley

I disagree completely with every fiber of my being (though not meant offensively just my beleif). I strongly beleive we define our own self and that it definately is not defined by our environment.

To beleive so would be to downplay everyone who has grown up in a bad situation and turned out good.

What about those that were raised in an apparently good situation, and turned out bad?

What you are saying contradicts what psychology has to say on the matter. I think perhaps you are mixing up responsibility and environment.

Latest neuropsychology is discovering how emotional deprivation correlates with stunted development of areas of the brain that deal with emotions.
So quite literally some criminals and sociopaths are unable to feel empathy for other people, because that is the way environment hardwired their brain.
Why is this? self protection, they have been so deprived that it is better to shut down all emotions all together.

While I think it is true that someone can turn out good out of a 'bad' environment, you will see that it is because someone planted good seed in them in the first place.

[Matt Langley]

What about those that were raised in an apparently good situation, and turned out bad?

What you are saying contradicts what psychology has to say on the matter. I think perhaps you are mixing up responsibility and environment.

That is exactly what I'm talking about. People who grow up in a good situation and t urn out bad is supporting what I said... that their environment didn't define them, it just influenced them, they chose a different path for themself.

Latest neuropsychology is discovering how emotional deprivation correlates with stunted development of areas of the brain that deal with emotions.
So quite literally some criminals and sociopaths are unable to feel empathy for other people, because that is the way environment hardwired their brain.
Why is this? self protection, they have been so deprived that it is better to shut down all emotions all together.

Very true and the way the brain works supports this. Stronger synapses between part of yoru brain that is accessed more. Especially when a child.

All this means is that your environment influences you, not defines you. Just like a person can grow up in a wonderful environment and become a criminal.

In the end it is our choices that define us. Sure if we are raised in certain situations it makes choosing something different harder, but that is how life is. It's often hard learning something new but people do it every day.

[Caimanson]

Originally Posted by Matt Langley

That is exactly what I'm talking about. People who grow up in a good situation and t urn out bad is supporting what I said... that their environment didn't define them, it just influenced them, they chose a different path for themself.

I was trying to say that they turn out bad because only in appearance their environment is good. Though either way we can only speculate, unless we analyse a specific case.

In the end it is our choices that define us. Sure if we are raised in certain situations it makes choosing something different harder, but that is how life is. It's often hard learning something new but people do it every day.

I wish it was as simple as you describe it.
I could agree, if we assume that the range of choice and change is delimited by our history, experience and makeup.
We can get better pears from a pear tree, but not oranges, not even mediocre oranges.

[Matt Langley]

I could agree, if we assume that the range of choice and change is delimited by our history, experience and makeup.

I agree completely; however, the history, experience, and makeup is much more of a choice than it may seem. If you choose to seek out information you will often find alot more of it than those that don't. Thats why there are 12 year olds programming C++, some with no family members or friends being programmers. They chose to seek it out and they found it. Choice is much more of an integral part of it than it may seem.

[Vajradhara]

Namaste all,

I think that Tupac was a music artist that specalized in the style of urban music called "rap".

I am not aware of any particular religious claims that he may have made.

metta,

~v

[Postmaster]

One of his album covers.. 2pac is the image on the cross. This was produced after his death? Personally i consider it heretical. But doesn't stop me finding other postive meaning in tupacs life. I guess he did give us rich artistic work. But was he a possitive role model for other people bought up in his situation, I would say maybe yes. You can have war lords with ethics, you can have criminals with ethics. im not saying he was any of these, but its clear he didnt live a sqeeky clean life, maybe he gives light to thoughs in his shoes. Thats where his virtue lays, he is not universally accpetable though.

[Abubakar]

Originally Posted by YO-ELEVEN-11

I feel Tupac was a talented individual and one of the best poets in history. I feel that he was Prophet to and for his people. If you read in the bible the book of "Judges" you can understand what i'm talking about. His life was hard no doubt, but he over came most of his obstacles. All of his music, sent out messages of truth and consequence in society as well as in Life. Granted some of his music did not "sugar coat" some of the harsh realities in life, but most if not all his lyrics ring truth. I think his death was not from his life style but more like GOD simply taking him home.

All of his music?

I suggest you listen to his entire catalogue not just the great ones but the dross as well.

The man was a good poet but thats about it.

Who were his people that you are talking about? Why do you think he was a prophet? What did we tell us?

I think you are a romantic.

[YO-ELEVEN-11]

Originally Posted by Abubakar

All of his music?
I suggest you listen to his entire catalogue not just the great ones but the dross as well..

I think I have heard most of his songs.
Seems he keeps putting out more songs, even after his death

Originally Posted by Abubakar

The man was a good poet but thats about it..

You do not have to be "religious" or "holy" or even have mass appeal to be a "prophet" or speak prophetic truth. Read Judges you will understand where I'm coming from.

Originally Posted by Abubakar

Who were his people that you are talking about?

His people are those are are attracted to his words.
This is the name of one of his songs and who he dedicated it to.
"The Good Die Young"
This song is dedicated to all them
Young kids and people that are innocent
That died young
At Columbine High
Rest in Peace (Oklahoma)
what kind of rapper dedicates his music to a National tragedy?
That's what I mean by "his people"

Originally Posted by Abubakar

Why do you think he was a prophet? What did we tell us?

In the song "Life Goes On", Tupac raps about his own funeral.

Originally Posted by Abubakar

I think you are a romantic.

Not a romantic. I did not like Tupac when he first came out. I did not the tone of his voice. When I started to listen and tryin to understand his lyrics, then I understood what he was talking about. All his lyrics have a message coded in "curssing" or street talk. I also feel the book "1984" by George Orwell was extremely prophetic about how things are now. If you get the chance, read it. By the way, you must not like Tupac or rap music. It seems you are rather deffensive about Tupac being a little prophetic.