Is the God we worship a lier ?

[BlaznFattyz]

depends on the context of god. just because a religion is monotheistic, does not make a god comparable to the one true god. in christianity god is truth, love, and holy righteousness, therefore he is not a liar.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

I think the safest point of view is the idea of progressive revelation found in such religion as the Baha'i faith.

It's obvious that the creation of man didn't happen the way it did in the Old Testament it says Eve was created from one of the ribs Adam. Science tells us women were before man. This is simply god given common sense which version you want to pick. The original story of the Old Testament came out of ancient Babylon and these stories where bought to the west by the exiled Jews. If God is infinite, the truth is always changing to us? Whats very important these ancient stroies explain that we have a God and I think when people disagree with science its this idea there trying to hold on to and for very good reasons, cause there is a God.

As much as I admire science and the people who work in it, there are times when they can't remember whether they calculated trajectories of a multi million dollar space machine in imperial or metric units, as they watch it disappear near Mars...

Nothing is obvious Post. Science and religion are tools for man to use to try to understand his life. They are not the embodiment of life. Faith and knowledge are flip sides of the same coin.

The original stories of the Bible came from people and the proof or falsehood of such stories is apparently in the ground. Remember the story of Joseph and Pharoah? It took us until the spring of 2006 to discover that he actually existed, and actually lived in Egypt and actually bore the signat of the Pharoah (mixed with his own Hebrew name), around 1900 BCE and all this was done right in front of Egyptian security, standing there to make certain nothing of a Biblical nature was discovered...wonder why...

No, the only liars and deceivers here on earth are men...not God.

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[Postmaster]

Well of course some of the stories of the bible are based on truth! It's part of Jewish history. Quahom1 I would say you’re a man on earth that is a deceiver! Would you really put your hand on your heart and accept the Old Testament’s version of the creation of man to Darwin’s? Put aside the fact that there a God for a moment. Which version is more believable? What are you holding onto? You’re a prisoner of your own mind.

The old testament was not wrote by a prophet, they are old folk lore stories early civilisation used with the best of philosophy at the time to understand why and where they came from in ancient Babylon! Today it is holding us back and irrelevant. Yeah it takes a certain amount of balls to disconnect with what you grew up with from what is learnt to be true.

Science explains how the heavens are made, religion explains how to get to heaven. So why should we believe the old testament version on the creation of man?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Well of course some of the stories of the bible are based on truth! It's part of Jewish history. Quahom1 I would say you’re a man on earth that is a deceiver! Would you really put your hand on your heart and accept the Old Testament’s version of the creation of man to Darwin’s? Put aside the fact that there a God for a moment. Which version is more believable? What are you holding onto? You’re a prisoner of your own mind.

The old testament was not wrote by a prophet, they are old folk lore stories early civilisation used with the best of philosophy at the time to understand why and where they came from in ancient Babylon! Today it is holding us back and irrelevant. Yeah it takes a certain amount of balls to disconnect with what you grew up with from what is learnt to be true.

Science explains how the heavens are made, religion explains how to get to heaven. So why should we believe the old testament version on the creation of man?

Dear Postmaster,

My faith and religious belief, allows for Evolution and Creationism to coexist and compliment eachother, hence there is no decption on my part. And the fact that I can accept both versions with no guile, seems to place me at a distinct advantage over those who can only accept one or the other...like, perhaps you, for example... So, who is the prisoner of their own mind again?

A prophet serves two functions, one of which is to present the potential future, while the other is a vessel of the messages of God to Man.

Babylon is not the ancient civilization you portend it to be. It certainly is not the where for all, pivital point in the scheme of things earthly.

Darwin also admitted he made a mistake...in fact several of them, pertaining to the origins of life...And do you know what? He died with a question on his mind, and a concern for a small suffering creature.

Considering the expanse of the heavens, our knowledge of it is miniscule, and science has more questions than answers...unlike the Bible, which as no questions, only answers.

As for one's manhood determining one's courage (or foolhardiness), to break from their upbringing, I think not. I for one do not think with my "little head", but rather with my "big head"...

I do not need testicles to make decisions...only babies.

Why you chose to take me on, where no challenge was issued, is beyond me. But getting personal is not exactly your habit either...so I am wondering why?

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[shadowman]

i didnt see god write the bible

he isnt a very good writer if he did!

[Postmaster]

I didn't say they can't co-exist? If I did please point out the text for me!

But what I'm saying is, can a real Christian believe in evolution?

If he can, what else can he choose to accept and not accept as truth? And what gives him the religious authority to pick and choose?

And if you really believe in evolution, there is a 100'000 years of human history we were nothing but the same.. And only since civilisation and the ability to cultivate the land humans have been fighting in the past 8'000 years.. Religion and race being a catalyst. Within 8'000 years we've seen billions of people become infidels to each other! In the name of God.

Personally I see religious tolerance as a religion in itself.. Would benefit the times we live in too. I'd never deny God.

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

..If he can, what else can he choose to accept and not accept as truth? And what gives him the religious authority to pick and choose?

I'm curious, what religion are you, and how did you pick that one?
I'm not sure a see the distiction between choosing between religions, and choosing within religions.

Originally Posted by Postmaster

And if you really believe in evolution, there is a 100'000 years of human history we were nothing but the same

I'm not sure which period of 100'000 years you're talking about.[/quote]

[Postmaster]

I’m a born and practising Christian, but just say things to provoke responses plus I might misinterpret what other say as they do with me lol. One religion I view with curiosity is the Baha'i faith though.

[shadowman]

there is evidence that could be explained by theories having to do with evolution

for example

nordic people are often big and strong because this helped them survive the cold

african slave descendants in this country usually take well to athleticism because thats the kind of "specimens" that the slave owners picked and bred.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by BigBang

SUPER ! TELL ME THE TRUTH, would you worship a God who's a lier, and a deciver. no for me he created every thing alright but will never intend to use evil insticts.

also please do not tell your babies stories and lies about things they do not understand, just tell them a very simple model and tell them that they will understand it when the time will come or otherwise the very first thing they will learn about you the "dad or mom" will be that THEY ARE BIG LIERS.

aw mang, I just hate liers!!!! The way they tie you up! Disparaissent les reliures parties! Vous n'allez pas me lier!!!!!

[Muslimwoman]

as salaam aleykum

I like to think I am a faithful Muslim and I believe G-d created the heavens and earth. That is to say He created all the heavens, including the other universes. My personal belief is that G-d created everything just as He wanted it, so dinosours roamed the earth when G-d wished them to do so, G-d created man when He wished them to exist and G-d created the Big Bang. When G-d desires it to be, these things will cease to exist.

Can I explain this scientifically or logically? No but neither can I tell you what G-d is, He is beyond our imagination. I also believe it is wrong to assume G-d thinks as a human does and is limited to our mental and physical abilities.

As for saying G-d is a liar - shame on you. G-d is perfect therefore does not tell lies.

Salaam

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

As for saying G-d is a liar - shame on you. G-d is perfect therefore does not tell lies.

Salaam

lolz!$£"!$!£"$!£

god: Hey I'm perfect... I don't lie!!

Jim: Hey! He's got a point!! Perfect people don't lie....
Bob: True... How did you find out he was perfect?
Jim: Ah, he told me.....

[Postmaster]

I think it all depends on what a lie really is. I'd say a lie is saying something to deviate the truth for ones benefit. God probably won't deviate the truth for his benefit but he can never leave us with absolute truth because it is infinitely potent.

[paganprophet]

God is not a liar but the false god worshipped by Abrahamic believers is a liar and the father of them. All the Abrahamic writers lied yet God still exist despite them.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

aw mang, I just hate liers!!!! The way they tie you up! Disparaissent les reliures parties! Vous n'allez pas me lier!!!!!

Je pense vous avez voulu dire que "Vous ne me trouverez pas un trompeur"
ou, Je croix que vous pense vous dites, "Vous ne trouverez pas un menteur"

You're right. hard to call you anything but honest in your thinking...