Is the bible corrupted. - Page 7

james · 08-14-2006, 08:38 PM

for something from god, it would be perfect...His word anway right?as he would want people to follow?!in the bible, it is not perfect..may many discrepancies, therefore we know it has to have been changed, to what extent who knows...some original meenings may exist, only god will know, eg, things like, no sex before marriage, no stealing, but there arent any specific details about anything in the bible, compared to other religions, seems weird as this is just a test and we have to pass

Quahom1 · 08-16-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by james

for something from god, it would be perfect...His word anway right?as he would want people to follow?!in the bible, it is not perfect..may many discrepancies, therefore we know it has to have been changed, to what extent who knows...some original meenings may exist, only god will know, eg, things like, no sex before marriage, no stealing, but there arent any specific details about anything in the bible, compared to other religions, seems weird as this is just a test and we have to pass

But that is the test James, that we must pass. There are the Ten Commandments for example, which are quite specific. They aren't history, but rather "laws" we are to keep. There is nothing negative about keeping good laws that benefit all (excpet perhaps for the one who wishes to break the law), and were designed to keep man healthy, vibrant and alive, as well as courteous to one's neighbor.

Second, we know it is impossible for man to keep the ten commandments (that has been proven throughout the ages), so Jesus said, "I give you two simple commandments...Love God, and love your neighbor as yourself" (para)

That isn't historical story telling either, but a set of laws we've been given that encompass the entire ten before (guess Jesus felt we were ready for emotional reality).

So, I ask what is so corrupt about the Ten Commandments, and about the Two Commandments that we're given in the OT and then in the NT?

Nothing.

my thoughts

v/r

Q

edit: Forgot to add...the whole Bible is designed to reinforce the "laws of righteousness and love" we are to follow. That is the main purpose of the Bible.

wil · 08-16-2006, 05:49 PM

I asked this before, and maybe missed the answer. Moses brought down 10, the rest of the books brought the total to 614, Jesus and the Jews named the two most prominent.

How did the 10 persist? Is is somewhere in the NT that those are of value and the rest are diminished?

How come the 2 aren't carved in stone and heralded?

Quahom1 · 08-16-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

I asked this before, and maybe missed the answer. Moses brought down 10, the rest of the books brought the total to 614, Jesus and the Jews named the two most prominent.

How did the 10 persist? Is is somewhere in the NT that those are of value and the rest are diminished?

How come the 2 aren't carved in stone and heralded?

So glad you asked...

The original laws of man were/are the Seven Noahidic laws. Moses was given ten (which incorporate the orginal Seven). The Mizphat (or 613) laws are Judeac, and variations on the Seven Nahidic laws (in finer detail). Jesus comes along and states "There are only two that must be followed". However, Jesus' two commandments encompasse everything.

(probably the first known concept of "integration" in the history of man)

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Dondi · 08-16-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

I asked this before, and maybe missed the answer. Moses brought down 10, the rest of the books brought the total to 614, Jesus and the Jews named the two most prominent.

How did the 10 persist? Is is somewhere in the NT that those are of value and the rest are diminished?

How come the 2 aren't carved in stone and heralded?

They ought to be. So I will.

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Originally Posted by Mathew 22:36-40

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Quahom1 · 08-16-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

How did the 10 persist? Is is somewhere in the NT that those are of value and the rest are diminished?

How come the 2 aren't carved in stone and heralded?

The Two encompasse the 10, and the 613. The Two are carved in man's heart, (besides put to paper, or papyrus). But the heart can be deceiteful, because it wants what it wants, yet the laws of God are right their.

What good is a law carved in stone, when the one in one's heart is ignored?

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kenod · 08-18-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

I asked this before, and maybe missed the answer. Moses brought down 10, the rest of the books brought the total to 614, Jesus and the Jews named the two most prominent.

How did the 10 persist? Is is somewhere in the NT that those are of value and the rest are diminished?

How come the 2 aren't carved in stone and heralded?

Many of the laws of the OT have a symbolic significance ... particularly those that pertained to sacrifices. Even one of the ten (the sabbath day) had a spiritual significance which was fulfilled in the "sabbath" rest of the NT ( Heb 4:3-11).

There are other laws of the OT that many Christians still uphold … eg, tithing, male/female clothing, prohibition against homosexual acts

As has been pointed out:

Luke 10:25-28
On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
He answered: " Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, Love your neighbour as yourself.'"
"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Loving God and loving our neighbour embraces yet transcends the Ten Commandments - there are times when even a commandment such as “thou shalt not kill” can be superseded by a greater good. … this is the concept Jesus was trying to teach by telling the Jews it was ok to pull a donkey out of a ditch on the Sabbath day.

Even in the NT there are commandments to keep:

1 John 5:2-3
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Dor · 08-18-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kenod

There are other laws of the OT that many Christians still uphold … eg, tithing, male/female clothing, prohibition against homosexual acts

Exactly we do keep alot of the other older laws we just dont talk about them cause the 2 we do talk about cover them all.

BlaznFattyz · 08-18-2006, 03:41 PM

we are saved by grace because we cant follow all the laws, we fail. you give you life and all that comes with it out of love.

kenod · 08-19-2006, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

we are saved by grace because we cant follow all the laws, we fail. you give your life and all that comes with it out of love.

So true - thank you for reminding me ... strangely, the song "Do You Know Grace" (Younce Brothers) is playing in the background as I type.

kenod · 08-19-2006, 05:15 AM

Ultimately, whether one believes that the Bible is corrupted, or it is the infallible, inerrant Word of God, is a matter of personal faith. I am among the latter.

What can be disputed, however, is whether the Bible contains contradictions, or whether the teachings of Scripture have been effectively altered by the addition, deletion, or changes to certain specific words. Neither of these assertions are true.

Where science, archaeology or history seem to indicate discrepancies, reconciliation has been suggested. Certain interpretations may be at variance with scientific research (eg the creation account in Genesis) but, once again, reconciliation is easily demonstrated when the figurative language is considered.

Has any one person ever fully understood the Bible ... I doubt it. The Bible will speak to different people in different ways - I believe that is the work of the Holy Spirit in guiding us into all truth. If the Bible is a direct form of communication from God to humankind, as I believe, then our Lord's injunction to "search the Scriptures" remains just as pertinent today.

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Dor · 08-21-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

I asked this before, and maybe missed the answer. Moses brought down 10, the rest of the books brought the total to 614, Jesus and the Jews named the two most prominent.

How did the 10 persist? Is is somewhere in the NT that those are of value and the rest are diminished?

How come the 2 aren't carved in stone and heralded?

Does it really matter if there are 2, 10, 614 carved in stone? If there was 1 we would still fall short of it.

The law is there to show sin, not to give live. It shows us we can not do it alone so we need to be thankful for the fact we are under grace.

wil · 08-22-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

Does it really matter if there are 2, 10, 614 carved in stone? If there was 1 we would still fall short of it.

The law is there to show sin, not to give live. It shows us we can not do it alone so we need to be thankful for the fact we are under grace.

Namaste Dor,

I was simply trying to ascertain if anyone knew any basis for the 10 being so popularized in the Christian Theology, it would seem to me the 2 would be more in tune to popular thinking.

I'm afraid I can't respond to my thoughts on the remainder of your response on this board.

If anyone can provide some logic, I'd appreciate it.

peace and blessings, wil

kenod · 08-22-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

I was simply trying to ascertain if anyone knew any basis for the 10 being so popularized in the Christian Theology, it would seem to me the 2 would be more in tune to popular thinking.

Two things I do before going to work: I make myself look presentable, and I eat. These two activities involve a whole lot of little procedures.

Love God and love your neighbour involves numerous practical activities set out in the pages of the NT - you can call them laws, or commandments, or rules, or whatever you like.

You'll find a list of negatives in Romans 1:27-32, and a list of positives in Romans 12:9-21 (and elsewhere). These encompass the Ten (except the Sabbath) and extend them to include our thoughts and feelings, as well as our actions.

Dor · 08-22-2006, 04:32 PM

Namaste Dor,

I was simply trying to ascertain if anyone knew any basis for the 10 being so popularized in the Christian Theology, it would seem to me the 2 would be more in tune to popular thinking.

There are a couple reasons the 10 Commandments are more popularized than the 2 from the NT.
For one it was a covenant with God. They are called the covenant and the tables of the covenant.(Deut 4;13,9:9,11 Heb 9:4)
It also happens to be the basis for the legal system of justice for Western Christian civilization.

I'm afraid I can't respond to my thoughts on the remainder of your response on this board.

Sorry I thought we could all post are thoughts on any board we wanted to.

If anyone can provide some logic, I'd appreciate it.

Hopefully there seems like some logic in there.