is Evil real?

[Ciel]

Joseph, thank you for your reply.

There is indeed an overview from this life able to see all things are as they are according to the premise of understanding where the divine plan is concerned, yet there is no perfection without balance in affairs of reality. A man may live in truth of balance, without mind play there is peace, through self connection, in the presence of the grace of God there is peace, yet in this world people starve for the spiritual, they starve for food of mercy and they starve for a bowl of rice to sustain them daily. Food of life manifest through humanity and God. I ask the simple question, where is the distribution? For it appears many still wait to recieve the sustenance and nourishment when the table is fully loaded for others.

- c -

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by Ciel

Joseph, thank you for your reply.

There is indeed an overview from this life able to see all things are as they are according to the premise of understanding where the divine plan is concerned, yet there is no perfection without balance in affairs of reality. A man may live in truth of balance, without mind play there is peace, through self connection, in the presence of the grace of God there is peace, yet in this world people starve for the spiritual, they starve for food of mercy and they starve for a bowl of rice to sustain them daily. Food of life manifest through humanity and God. I ask the simple question, where is the distribution? For it appears many still wait to recieve the sustenance and nourishment when the table is fully loaded for others.

- c -

Ceil,
In the end, You ask a very difficult question to answer without elaborating on the nature of consciousness itself. Perhaps sometime another thread would be appropriate for such a discussion. In my experience it has been shown that life is not as it appears. There are no causes in this world. It is a world of effects only. All that you see comes from that which cannot be seen with these eyes. Divine justice prevails in all things including what appears as the subject of your question. But to undersatnd it at least partly with this mind , one has to enter the realm unknown to the mind. It is there that 'reality' stands alone and one glimpses the perfection of that which appeared to the mind as flawed and imperfect and it disappears as illusory. No words can take one there but to grasp the oneness of Christ, if even for a moment, this kingdom is seen and is found not to be distant or of a physical locale but right here, right now 'within' and in it one can find hid all knowledge and understanding. May you be blessed in discovery of knowledge and understanding far exceeding all of your greatest expectations.

Love in Christ,
JM

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by JosephM

Hmm. When I read this I see people dancing and laughing at burning bodies. No more ... no less.... That is not evil to them. It is only evil in your eyes because you have defined it so and found a multitude of others to agree with you. It seems to me that one can make perception a reality in their own mind. It is not a reality in their eyes. To them it is justice. But the question remains. Is evil real? The answer remains.... Only in the mind of the beholder.
Just a thought to consider.

PS. Prober, you make good points. No need to bend when the heat gets hot.

Love in Christ,
JM

I'm sorry. Did I miss something here? Even when El Duce was strung up with his wife in Italy, it was said that that was evil. He never went to trial. He was strung up like an animal. The contractors were strung up like animals. No trial, no nothing. Just because it isn't evil to you, means what? It isn't evil at all?

Getting hot now? lol

Even steel bends with heat (even by one degree).

But maybe it is just me being American. See we don't desecrate bodies once dead. It just isn't in us. I don't know, I just find that kind of behavior evil.

v/r

Joshua

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

But maybe it is just me being American. See we don't desecrate bodies once dead. It just isn't in us. I don't know, I just find that kind of behavior evil.

No, you guys do it while people are still alive, by urinating on them, or making them strip and form human pyramids.
Your self-righteousness is disgusting.

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by JosephM

Ceil,
In the end, You ask a very difficult question to answer without elaborating on the nature of consciousness itself. Perhaps sometime another thread would be appropriate for such a discussion. In my experience it has been shown that life is not as it appears. There are no causes in this world. It is a world of effects only. All that you see comes from that which cannot be seen with these eyes. Divine justice prevails in all things including what appears as the subject of your question. But to undersatnd it at least partly with this mind , one has to enter the realm unknown to the mind. It is there that 'reality' stands alone and one glimpses the perfection of that which appeared to the mind as flawed and imperfect and it disappears as illusory. No words can take one there but to grasp the oneness of Christ, if even for a moment, this kingdom is seen and is found not to be distant or of a physical locale but right here, right now 'within' and in it one can find hid all knowledge and understanding. May you be blessed in discovery of knowledge and understanding far exceeding all of your greatest expectations.

Love in Christ,
JM

Joseph,

There is no question concerning the nature of consciousness.
There is only a statement revealing reality.

Must I play devils advocate to break through blessed illusion of those still sleeping... this in the nature of all love and compassion.

- c -

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by Ciel

Joseph,

There is no question concerning the nature of consciousness.
There is only a statement revealing reality.

Must I play devils advocate to break through blessed illusion of those still sleeping... this in the nature of all love and compassion.

- c -

My sincere apologies Ciel. A perceptual error on my part.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by cavalier

No, you guys do it while people are still alive, by urinating on them, or making them strip and form human pyramids.
Your self-righteousness is disgusting.

wow.

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by JosephM

My sincere apologies Ciel. A perceptual error on my part.

Dear Joseph, You know, no need to apologise, and there is no error, only this sense of the sublime, irrational and rational standing side by side. I believe you may understand. Reading your words was a beautiful moment.

Love, light and peace

- c -

[cyberpi]

EVIL is real. I have a computer program that demonstrates the concept pretty well. Anyone want a copy? Its heart is a random number generator, which it obtains from a number of timed events, file sizes, and pseudo-random functions. It does make a few writes to the hard-drive, but mostly it just disables the keyboard and randomly finds files to open and play with in front of your eyes. It experiments. It even tries to make new things out of your old files. It makes little modifications here and there... right in front of your eyes. Like an extra keystroke, a delete here and there. A few routines to change various kinds of files. It tries to merge some files. It will play with sound files, JPG's, GIF's, etc... text files, MS Word files, Excell files, Outlook files, etc... It will try other applications but doesn't have too many smarts with them. It looks for English text to tweek, replacing words here and there. It is not a virus but you will have to disable the virus protection. It won't spread beyond your hard drive. I was thinking of calling the program: Evol... short for evolution. I am going to have to write a long disclaimer though to share it with anyone. Afterall... it is EVIL.

[wil]

We must all realize no one holds the corner on morality....again all ethnicities, all nations, all religions have their folks who have performed abhorant behaviour.

We often ignore or attempt to minimilize our own deficiencies all the while condemning others....this to is fairly normal in our race.

Self righteousness doesn't hold up on any of us. The goal in my book is to move forward and quit pointing fingers and whining...'momma, he hit me first!'

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by wil

We must all realize no one holds the corner on morality....again all ethnicities, all nations, all religions have their folks who have performed abhorant behaviour.

We often ignore or attempt to minimilize our own deficiencies all the while condemning others....this to is fairly normal in our race.

Self righteousness doesn't hold up on any of us. The goal in my book is to move forward and quit pointing fingers and whining...'momma, he hit me first!'

I'll second that Wil.

JM

[RevKelly]

Yes, I believe Evil is very real:

Liars' Brains Wired Differently

But at least knowing this, we could do something about it. And after reading this article, I have to wonder, if Jesus is the opposite of the Great Deciever, would he have been an extremely high functioning autistic savant?

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by RevKelly

Yes, I believe Evil is very real:

Liars' Brains Wired Differently

But at least knowing this, we could do something about it. And after reading this article, I have to wonder, if Jesus is the opposite of the Great Deciever, would he have been an extremely high functioning autistic savant?

Because the liars brain is wired differently does that make evil real? If anything it would indicate that lying is natural for people born wired that way. There is nothing evil about that in and of itself but to him that esteems it evil, it is evil. Does that make evil real? What is evil? Try to define it for us.

Love in Christ,
JM

[Paladin]

I think in order to see a higher truth it would be necessary to look deeply into the question itself, is the question appropriate to what we are really asking? At what level then would the question and the answer appear as the same thing? And have we then created a Koan? I know how ambiguous this must sound but I can't help it popping into my mind after reading these posts.

Peace

[RevKelly]

I would think Evil is anything that intentionally hurts yourself or Humanity.

(What exactly is a Koan, Paladin? I understand that 'the sound of one hand clapping' is a Koan, but I'm not sure what the definition is)