Indigos and Crystals

[dauer]

flow,

Dauer... I agree with you that "authority" is necessary for children, and even most adults. But it should be a loving and knowing "authority" which naturally flows from the supreme authority, G-d.

I absolutely agree with the first half, and the second is probably only a disagreement in language as I would avoid the theological terminology. I don't think authority in and of itself is good. Like anything else it's a tool.

[earl]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

I scanned through and found this pretty interesting, especially Dauer's conclusion that AS is both strength and weakness. I'm not AS, but that's how I see my little suite-o'-oddities. LOL I've done some therapy but never been properly diagnosed (or helped much, but meditation, excercise, and a healthy diet helps some). I don't really think there's anything "wrong" with me, and certainly nothing I want to control through pharmaceuticals. I've learned a variety of coping mechanisms to deal with a lot of the negative aspects, and Druidry has given me a lot of new ways to channel some of my more negative/destructive tendencies into productive paths.

Unlike AS (from what I understand), I have an easy time relating and talking to almost anyone. Much of the time I go through life having way more information about most people than I'd like. I'm highly sensitive to others' emotions and mental states when I'm around them physically (and sometimes at a distance) and I'm telepathic if I'm around someone physically. However, I have learned to mostly turn that off (as long as someone isn't really distressed and "shouting" mentally). I try to give people their privacy mentally and it's extremely emotionally draining to constantly get reads on people anyway. I'm quite introverted, so it's not enjoyable at all and I've learned to do a combination of actively tuning out when at work or in a group with lots of time spent in silence and alone at home or out in nature. Parties are the worst and I regularly just want hours of sleep afterwards. And it doesn't help that random strangers often just plop down whereever I am and tell me all about their life and problems. No offense to them- I do care about others and I will listen- but it is not my cup of tea and makes me quite frazzled.

Aside from being overly sensitive to other people's emotions (and stuff in nature too- a stand of trees being cut down makes me feel intense grief, for example, and I can feel past negative events in places too), I'm sensitive to sensory input like Dauer's talking about. Sunlight can really hurt, but the worst for me is fluorescents and car headlights at night. I absolutely can't stand multiple sounds at the same time, another reason why parties are intensely uncomfortable- they're just one big whirlwind of sound, emotion, and thought. Electrical whines seem to be around all over the place and at times get highly annoying. I startle very easily, too, which is not fun.

On the other hand, my sensitivity has allowed me to identify those people who most need help (suicidal folks, for example) and people who are dangerous or deceiving. It allows me to communicate with others who are similar in a way that is really amazing, and it's given me a lot of joy when I use it to communicate with my animals, wild animals, and trees (yeah, I'm nuts, I talk to trees LOL). The feeling of energy from certain natural places is amazing. The ocean and thunderstorms fill me with a sense of vitality and a rush that is like a natural drug. And the sensitivity I have to sound and visual input has given me an intense love and appreciation for music and art.

I often get intensely focused on one thing, but it's helped me be quite productive. On the flip side, I often struggle to not feel frustrated with tasks that I currently have no interest in, which means I'm typically unhappy at work no matter how good my job is. I go through periods of mania and depression, but I've learned to recognize depression coming on and take preventive steps to keep it at a lower, more manageable level (I used to go through the thing where some days it was a great feat to get out of pajamas and bed). And while mania has its costs, well, it has its benefits. Some of my best academic and creative work is during manic times. Ultimately, I saw friends control their manic-depression through prescription drugs and they became zombies. They lost who they were. I don't want that.

Like you, Dauer- it's a trade-off. It has its ups and downs.

Not sure how commonplace all that is. I rarely feel like people understand me at all, and most people have looked at me like I was growing another head when I talk about how I relate to animals, nature in general, trees, etc. or about sensing energies. But I know the depression and over-stimulation is common in the US. Too many hours working, not enough community support, too much going on.

Hi Path. Have always appreciated your personal sharing here and find so fascinating that many of the experiences you have related dealing with your more "psychic" side over time here are so consistent with the life stories of some of the better psychics I've read, (or even encountered). For an example you may want to check out some of the autobiographical comments Echo Bodine has made in several of her books. As just 1 example which I remember making in 1 thread here some time ago in dialogue with you is the apparent hereditary component to it: that especially among females it is common with adult psychics to see a family history of such ability among some females over generations. What you describe about "too much" sensitivity related to telepathically or empathically picking up other's states being a form of "sensory overload" is consistent with these histories such that having to manage/integrate the information coming in through "extra-sensory" channels can be daunting, (I wouldn't know myself having not a whit of that ability-quite conventionally thick-skulled am I), and could in itself be a trigger to depressive reactions of one's own given the difficulty of essentially living in 2 worlds-the conventional and the astral/psychic/"mystic" whatever word you choose. Such an ability would I think make one more receptive to a variety of more intense sensory awareness in general. Autistic spectrum difficulties are also theoretically involving difficulties in integrating/processing various forms of sensory data though typically of a more conventional nature-for the individual with Aspergers it would be in the realm of socio-emotional processing which as a result of the social difficulties that can create could as a result leave the person feeling very socially estranged and therefore prone to depressive times. For outright autism, the theory as I understand it is one of such an innate difficulty with processing sensory data-so overwhelming for the individual-that in defense of themselves as they cannot tolerate various forms of physical input well-be it tactile, auditory, etc. they often are averse to such and have the characteristic "autistic" withdrawal. A fascinating first-person account of such can be found in an autobiography by Dr. Temple Grandlin who discovered means of coping with it and went on to obtain a Ph.D. in animal sciences and teaches I believe in Colorado. Hers is the first articulate account of what it's really like on the inside and provided autisim researchers with valuable insights. So the psychic and the A.D. individual both have their innate difficulties with processing/integrating what is coming into them but from very different "channels" it would seem. Hope this didn't come across as too "arm chair" and intrusive as my intention was not to do that. Rather, it was to both thank you all for your sharing and to dialogue about possible interpretations of the experiences as I find the topics so fascinating. thanks so much, earl

[flowperson]

Hi Earl...Always so good to hear from you and to have the benefit of your experience-based observations. Your comments to Path were especially useful to me in understanding my past experiences.

In my hereditary milieu, my mother's side was not as psychically perceptive as was my Dad's side. But his mother's line was especially so as I have come to find out, and my kids seemingly are hewing to that side of things.

It would sure be interesting if someone would do an intergenerational study of such abilities and try to formally link such abilities with genetic inheritance patterns. Yeah, I'm with you , it all seeems to be transmitted through time in individuals through female inheritance patterns. Why don't you write a proposal or two ?

Thank you !

flow....

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Francis king

i think it's mainly BS, myself

lol.... She doesn't mince words that girl... Good stuff.

[flowperson]

!7th...Based upon your overcomsumptive habits concerning "donuts" as being evidenced in yer Avatarrrrr, the obvious question at this moment might really be, all BSSSING aside...are you really some sort of undercover Copper ?

flow....

[earl]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Hi Earl...Always so good to hear from you and to have the benefit of your experience-based observations. Your comments to Path were especially useful to me in understanding my past experiences.

In my hereditary milieu, my mother's side was not as psychically perceptive as was my Dad's side. But his mother's line was especially so as I have come to find out, and my kids seemingly are hewing to that side of things.

It would sure be interesting if someone would do an intergenerational study of such abilities and try to formally link such abilities with genetic inheritance patterns. Yeah, I'm with you , it all seeems to be transmitted through time in individuals through female inheritance patterns. Why don't you write a proposal or two ?

Thank you !

flow....

Hey Flow. The interesting thing re apparent psychic abilities is whenever I've heard of purported psychics, the vast majority have been women. My wife is what those kind of folks term an empath, meaning she both "psychically" picks up on the emotional and phsyical state of others. Most often it's physical. For eg getting an excruciating pain in a particular part of her back & then calling around to eventually discover that her father some 500 miles aways had fallen and broken his back in that particular area. She has told me she suspects her now 80 yo mother had some psychic ability given the few things she's said in passing, but never has discussed it much-as a Swedish-american of that generation, not particularly open to that concept. As to this notion, not uncommon to hear of folks having 1 or 2 similar experiences whereby they may have what used to be a premonition-"uncle Joe's in trouble-" only to later discover that at that time he was. Interestingly again, most of the time when I hear those stories again it's women. To me this is a deeper confirmation that all of life is indeed a "web" with some folks just more deeply attuned to how interwoven all of life is. I suppose if you assume that we can use every resource at our command in the future to make it as a planet & assume these sorts of abilities will be essential to that, then you'd really have an argument for turning things over to the women. earl

[Marietta]

Originally Posted by dauer

Children shouldn't be their own authority. They need an authority to show them the correct way to behave, what is expected by society, and to help them to develop their inner-authority.

My reply: This is the beginning stage of mind control, plain and simple. Children come into this world knowing all they need to know to get them through life.
Why do they need to conform to someone else’s rules especially those of society.
This is why the FA’s (fallen angels) call humans Sheepel. Because they flock together and then if you get the first one to jump off the cliff the rest simply follow.

Originally Posted by dauer

Why do you think G!d is sometimes said to speak in the voice of our fathers?

My reply: This simply means that certain things are passed down through tribal memory (in our cells), or Cellular memory. The bible has been tampered with many times over time. The last major changes made at the Council of Nicea.

Originally Posted by dauer

We're not talking about anybody. We're talking about defenseless children who haven't adapted to society yet.

My reply: Defenseless children are the easiest to control, this is exactly we have been trained (mind controlled) to control our children. If you can mind control a generation making think that everybody needs to behave in a specific manner, then they will do the controlling of the next generation. It becomes generational. Why should they adapt to society? Why should anybody think they need to do any given thing just because someone else is doing it. This shuts us down so we don’t think for ourselves, making us slaves to someone else’s bidding. Reality is a lot bigger than our perceptual view of it and the main reason that our view is so limited is because we have been told certain things exist and others don’t from birth. If a child sees an friend that nobody else can see he/she is told that they are making it up and it doesn’t exist and after being told this enough the child stops seeing his friend. A lot if not most of all children see dimensionally until the parents shut the flow of energy to the Penial gland blocking this view.

[quote-dauer]
We're not talking about taking free will away. If society demands that you work instead[/quote]

My reply: “Anytime one person “demands” anything from another, it is taking the free will of another away. Nobody has the right to impose their moral views of right and wrong on another. There are two sides to every view and who has the right to make others conform to their view?

Originally Posted by dauer

How do you know that we have free will at all? And if we do have free will, how can you assume it has such a specific definition as doing whatever we feel like regardless of the rules and expectations of society?

My reply: At this point in time most (if not all) of the world is under mind control via the frequency fence and this is in direct opposition to Source/God. Who has a right to say their view of a set of rules is right and that someone else's view of a set of rules is wrong?

Originally Posted by dauer

It's a faith, a belief system, just like any other.

My reply: Its science and can and has been proven.

Love and Light, Marietta

[dauer]

Marietta, could you reformat that so it's readable please?

Thanks.

Dauer

[Marietta]

Dear dauer, Please forgive the mess, I'm not sure how that happened. Here is the post edited to clean it up.

dauer wrote:Children shouldn't be their own authority. They need an authority to show them the correct way to behave, what is expected by society, and to help them to develop their inner-authority.<<

My reply: This is the beginning stage of mind control, plain and simple. Children come into this world knowing all they need to know to get them through life.
Why do they need to conform to someone else’s rules especially those of society?
This is why the FA’s (fallen angels) call humans Sheepel. Because they flock together and then if you get the first one to jump off the cliff the rest simply follow.

dauer wrote: Why do you think G!d is sometimes said to speak in the voice of our fathers?

My reply: This simply means that certain things are passed down through tribal memory (in our cells), or Cellular memory. The bible has been tampered with many times over time. The last major changes made at the councal of Nicea.

dauer wrote:We're not talking about anybody. We're talking about defenseless children who haven't adapted to society yet.

My reply: Defenseless children are the easiest to control, this is exactly we have been trained (mind controlled) to control our children. If you can mind control a generation making think that everybody needs to behave in a specific manner, then they will do the controlling of the next generation. It becomes generational. Why should they adapt to society? Why should anybody think they need to do any given thing just because someone else is doing it. This shuts us down so we don’t think for ourselves, making us slaves to someone else’s bidding. Reality is a lot bigger than our perceptual view of it and the main reason that our view is so limited is because we have been told certain things exist and others don’t from birth. If a child sees an friend that nobody else can see he/she is told that they are making it up and it doesn’t exist and after being told this enough the child stops seeing his friend. A lot if not most of all children see dimensionally until the parents shut the flow of energy to the Penial gland blocking this view.

dauer wrote: We're not talking about taking free will away. If society demands that you work instead

My reply: “Anytime one person “demands” anything from another, it is taking the free will of another away. Nobody has the right to impose their moral views of right and wrong on another. There are two sides to every view and who has the right to make others conform to their view?

dauer wrote:How do you know that we have free will at all? And if we do have free will, how can you assume it has such a specific definition as doing whatever we feel like regardless of the rules and expectations of society?

My reply: At this point in time most (if not all) of the world is under mind control via the frequency fence and this is in direct opposition to Source/God. Who has a right to say their view of a set of rules is right and that someone elses view of a set of rules is wrong?

dauer wrote: It's a faith, a belief system, just like any other.

My reply: Its science
Love and Light, Marietta

[dauer]

Marietta,

it's okay. I thought to offer to fix it for you but Phyllis got it covered.

This is the beginning stage of mind control, plain and simple. Children come into this world knowing all they need to know to get them through life.

Society is a form of mind-control. We condition the children to maintain the same neuroses we all have, without which we couldn't function collectively.

They hardly know all they need to when they arrive. That's why they have to attend school. Some children are born with difficulties such that they can never function on their own, but for most, once they learn they can do quite well.

Why do they need to conform to someone else’s rules especially those of society?

So that we can function collectively and be more productive as a species. If we're all doing our own thing it's quite chaotic. Conformity is just as vital as non-conformity.

My reply: This simply means that certain things are passed down through tribal memory (in our cells), or Cellular memory. The bible has been tampered with many times over time. The last major changes made at the councal of Nicea.

The council of Nicea didn't effect the MT, but that's besides the point. My question was rhetorical and we'll have to agree to disagree on reading that passage.

Defenseless children are the easiest to control, this is exactly we have been trained (mind controlled) to control our children.

Well of course we've got to control them. Otherwise they'll run amok and never learn they're not the little gods of their own personal playground. Whether we like it or not, we condition children. They cry, we give them food, or change their diaper, and so on. That's one of the first lessons they learn and it's the job of the parent to help them grow out of that phase by setting boundaries and guidelines and structure that they must obey.

If you can mind control a generation making think that everybody needs to behave in a specific manner, then they will do the controlling of the next generation.

I'm not suggesting everyone should be trained to be copies of each other, and by-and-large we're not. The children still need to learn what a rule is and to respect it. They need to be taught values too and if they're smart they'll see an unjust rule and find appropriate ways to speak out against it, but they still need to know what the rule is and that as a good citizen and a member of society it's their role to respect it.

Why should they adapt to society?

If they want to go live off the grid somewhere in isolation, fine, but if they're not given rules and structure they're being denied an important developmental step. At a later time when they feel a need to challenge those rules, if they have strong enough desire they'll embrace their inner babies and revert.

Reality is a lot bigger than our perceptual view of it and the main reason that our view is so limited is because we have been told certain things exist and others don’t from birth.

And there's plenty of room for mindf****** when they're grown. They've still gotta adapt to society first. If they identify so strongly with their own personally developed worldview my sense is it'll be a lot harder to break free from those biased beliefs and realize that they know nothing. That seems to be the crux of indigo children, they don't come to realize how ignorant they are.

If a child sees an friend that nobody else can see he/she is told that they are making it up and it doesn’t exist and after being told this enough the child stops seeing his friend.

Setting rules doesn't have to mean limiting a child's imagination. If they're imaginative, imo that should be encouraged, but not placed on a pedastal. There's nothing more integrative about placing the inner world on a pedastal than there is from placing the material world on a pedastal.

Anytime one person “demands” anything from another, it is taking the free will of another away.

How is that removing free will? It's still the person's choice. Free will doesn't remove the consequences of our actions. If a person goes out and murders 20 people he can't then say, "Sorry. I was acting under free will. Your rules were too limiting and authoritarian. But you squares wouldn't understand anything about that."

Nobody has the right to impose their moral views of right and wrong on another.

In the case of children it's unavoidable. if the parents don't instill a sense of right and wrong then they'll learn it somewhere else, and even if the parents try not to they'll still be teaching the child, as per my example about the baby with a dirty diaper.

At this point in time most (if not all) of the world is under mind control via the frequency fence and this is in direct opposition to Source/God.

When you start to speak like this all I hear is "Thoth, the pyramids, men in black, the face on mars, hoaxed moon landing, atlantis, nephilim."

My reply: Its science

I had a conversation with a different dogmatist about this in another thread, but he was sympathetic to Islam, not New Age. Religions frequently try to conform their beliefs to the science of the day. They'll often take a great big leap, springing off of established science, scientific frontiers or even pseudo-science. Unfortunately they create a dogmatic cosmology and when challenged by developing information about the world around us they'll either attempt to show that their beliefs conform or they'll insist that what's new is wrong and they're correct. I don't see anything unique about New Age that might avoid this fallacy. It's already developed its own myths.

Dauer

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by earl

Hey Flow. The interesting thing re apparent psychic abilities is whenever I've heard of purported psychics, the vast majority have been women. My wife is what those kind of folks term an empath, meaning she both "psychically" picks up on the emotional and phsyical state of others. Most often it's physical. For eg getting an excruciating pain in a particular part of her back & then calling around to eventually discover that her father some 500 miles aways had fallen and broken his back in that particular area. She has told me she suspects her now 80 yo mother had some psychic ability given the few things she's said in passing, but never has discussed it much-as a Swedish-american of that generation, not particularly open to that concept. As to this notion, not uncommon to hear of folks having 1 or 2 similar experiences whereby they may have what used to be a premonition-"uncle Joe's in trouble-" only to later discover that at that time he was. Interestingly again, most of the time when I hear those stories again it's women. To me this is a deeper confirmation that all of life is indeed a "web" with some folks just more deeply attuned to how interwoven all of life is. I suppose if you assume that we can use every resource at our command in the future to make it as a planet & assume these sorts of abilities will be essential to that, then you'd really have an argument for turning things over to the women. earl

Well, earl- I had a nice long post but it disappeared into cyberspace.

Suffice it to say that I'm glad I don't feel the physical pain of others, though physical pain/stress has a certain vibration to it (hard to explain what it feels like, but it's more like I can just sense it than I feel or see anything) and I have had modest success in healing humans and animals. Nothing like cancer, but just your ordinary inflammation, soft tissue damage, infections and the like.

I had a long paragraph about how, in general, life is tough these days because there is so much suffering in the world that I just get totally exhausted, but it was probably a fairly whiny paragraph anyway. I guess I'm just going through a "tired" phase right now, and working full-time I have little time left to do all the things that help me renew more positive energy in the face of all that pain. But there's nothing much to do but press forward, and soon I'll be living in Seattle where at least the global warming is not so apparent and killing off all the old trees through drought (which is highly depressing to me).

As for the generational thing...

For me, it's a fairly obvious connection through my mother's side. Not sure about great-grandparents and so on, but grandpa was the one that passed on both the mental gifts and the mental illnesses. Out of the five kids, two aunts I don't know well enough, my uncle is highly intuitive but not sure if any of that is concentrated into the types of things I experience, and my oldest aunt and mother have empathy and a few other gifts, including healing and an ability to feel earth/nature energies. This seemed to become more concentrated in my sister and I. My father is highly sensitive and very much a "nature" guy, but I think his side is also more tempered and it helped keep me not too far afield in my experiences (there are many things I very occasionally experience but are not regular occurrences, as opposed to the fairly constant stream of other types of input). My sister had a different father, who was a medium and also had precog and retrocog. He actually is a detective with the sheriff's department now (was ex-special forces in military) and uses the retrocog to solve murders and such. At any rate, my poor sister is doing well but got just slammed with abilities, many of which are scary and hard to use effectively.

I'm curious what will happen if my husband and I have biological children (we plan to adopt at least one child either way). He has the same abilities I have and then a few others, particularly precognition. We also both had a plethora of dreams as kids of all sorts of visions and other places/times and so forth. Not sure where it came from on his side of the family. One other of the four kids is empathic, but the other two seem pretty average in that area and the parents and grandparents all read very normal. My husband always wondered where he came from since he struggles to relate to the rest of his family. Not sure why some kids just pop up with it.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by flowperson

!7th...Based upon your overcomsumptive habits concerning "donuts" as being evidenced in yer Avatarrrrr, the obvious question at this moment might really be, all BSSSING aside...are you really some sort of undercover Copper ?

flow....

No comment.

[earl]

I'd posted this yesterday while that whole Zend thing was going on & it didn't seem to stick. So will try again. Thanks so much for your sharing Path-I find it fascinating. It had inspired me to do a web search to see if I could find actual research into heritability of psychic abilities and to my surprise I did, (fittingly from Celtic land):
http://www.scientificexploration.org.../13.3_cohn.pdf

have a good one, earl

[Marietta]

Dear dauer, Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I can see that we are not in agreement with this and therefore don't know how to respond. If you are ok with mind control and it is your free will choice to give your power over to another (in this case society) this is your free will choice and I respect that, however it is not mine nor is it the choice of many others.

dauer wrote: Society is a form of mind-control. We condition the children to maintain the same neuroses we all have, without which we couldn't function collectively.

My reply: I simply do not agree. A good sample of what social mind control has created is kids who bring guns to school and shoot their playmates. I also do not agree that it is necessary to function as a collective in this 3D existence. We are all here to experience different things to help in our growth back to source.
I don't agree that there is a need for children to attend school, where most of the mind control takes place. It is the place of the mother to teach her children what she feels is important for them. Take math for instance, we are taught a base ten when the universal math is a base 12. Take history which has been revised to make it fit what they want us to think. Like when I was in school we were told some pretty nasty things about the american indians that simply were not true and are no longer taught in school. Take physics, when I was in school they taught us that the Atom was the smallest particle but they had already split the Atom to create Atom Bomb and knew that there were electrons and protons and smaller quarks, that are only now being taught. The smallest unit of energy is called a partiki unit.

dauer wrote: The council of Nicea didn't effect the MT, but that's besides the point. My question was rhetorical and we'll have to agree to disagree on reading that passage.

My reply: No but they did add rules to the Hebrew language that were not supposed to be part of the language. There are only supposed to be 10 rules ever applied to the Hebrew language, called the ten utterances (the ten commandments). These new rules change they way in which people translate or simply read the Hebrew language. Then Hermeneutic were applied to the translation of the language making it a new language all together.

dauer wrote: Well of course we've got to control them. Otherwise they'll run amok and never learn they're not the little gods of their own personal playground.

My reply: Sure they are their own personal little gods of their personal playground (reality field). We should all be creating our own reality in which to experience what it is we need to grow into well developed beings.

dauer wrote: Whether we like it or not, we condition children. They cry, we give them food, or change their diaper, and so on. That's one of the first lessons they learn and it's the job of the parent to help them grow out of that phase by setting boundaries and guidelines and structure that they must obey.

My reply: Babies cry because they still use telepathy to communicate and when nobody replies they get frustrates and begin to cry. We demand that they use words to communicate and then as soon as they start talking they shut down their ability to communicate via telepathy. We handicap our children. Newborn babies have the ability to do much more than we allow them to do. For instance a new born baby will crawl its way to its mother's breast and latch on to take in the energy of the mother to nourish itself but most mothers are told they are incapable of doing anything for themselves and don't allow them to do this. I have watched all three of my grand kids crawl to their mother's breast and suckle on their own minutes after birth.

dauer wrote:
I'm not suggesting everyone should be trained to be copies of each other, and by-and-large we're not. The children still need to learn what a rule is and to respect it. They need to be taught values too and if they're smart they'll see an unjust rule and find appropriate ways to speak out against it, but they still need to know what the rule is and that as a good citizen and a member of society it's their role to respect it.

My reply: And which set of rules should be enforced mine or yours? Nobody has a right to say that their beliefs are superior to another persons set of beliefs or rules.

dauer wrote: If they want to go live off the grid somewhere in isolation, fine, but if they're not given rules and structure they're being denied an important developmental step. At a later time when they feel a need to challenge those rules, if they have strong enough desire they'll embrace their inner babies and revert.

My reply: It takes a whole lot to wake up enough once mind controlled to use your mind for yourself to know your true desire. So therefore those who are under mind control do not go against their controller. That's the beauty of mind control (at least to the controllers).

dauer wrote:And there's plenty of room for mindf****** when they're grown. They've still gotta adapt to society first. If they identify so strongly with their own personally developed worldview my sense is it'll be a lot harder to break free from those biased beliefs and realize that they know nothing. That seems to be the crux of indigo children, they don't come to realize how ignorant they are.

My reply: as stated above once mind controlled most do not rebel against the programming and those that think they are rebelling are doing so according to their programing. There is a small percent of beings who will not succumb to the programming but that is not the norm in mind control. Very few every come out of mind control.
Any time one person demands that another does what they want, they person doing the demanding is taking the free will of the other person away by "Demanding/Making" them do what he wants done. Negating what they other person wants.

dauer wrote: When you start to speak like this all I hear is "Thoth, the pyramids, men in black, the face on mars, hoaxed moon landing, atlantis, nephilim."

My reply: I'm not sure what you are saying with this statement. Could you please elaborate.

I respect you free will choice in giving your mind over to the mind control paradigm of society but I do not respect those who would try to take control of my mind because I do not want others to control of me. I am in the process of taking my power back along with the responsibility for my own beingness.
Blessings to you along your life journey in whatever manner YOU CHOSE to take it.

In Love and Light, Midge

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by earl

I'd posted this yesterday while that whole Zend thing was going on & it didn't seem to stick. So will try again. Thanks so much for your sharing Path-I find it fascinating. It had inspired me to do a web search to see if I could find actual research into heritability of psychic abilities and to my surprise I did, (fittingly from Celtic land):
http://www.scientificexploration.org.../13.3_cohn.pdf

have a good one, earl

Thanks, Earl- will have to give it a read!

Glad it was not just me with the Zend thing- I got confused but didn't feel like downloading something, so I just laid low for a while.