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taijasi · 09-01-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kenod

A woman Democrat for president ... ooh that's a tough one, let me guess

Hmmm ... Hilary wouldn't be my first choice!

It's the princple I'm talking about ...

Quahom1 · 09-01-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by taijasi

Hmmm ... Hilary wouldn't be my first choice!

It's the princple I'm talking about ...

Elizabeth Dole, or Condoleeza Rice, or both...

wil · 09-01-2006, 07:25 PM

Seems we've had a lot of influential women running the White House...Hillary already had her turn...before that Eleanor and then Nancy both did fine jobs.

I think Elizabeth would have garnered more votes than Bob did last time.

taijasi · 09-01-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Elizabeth Dole, or Condoleeza Rice, or both...

lol - Goodness no! (sic) But indeed, I was thinking much more along the lines of an Eleanor Roosevelt.

Hilary, however, over those other two, any day!

But if I were forced to vote for a Republican, and a semi-conservative Christian, how about Nancy Reagan? As first ladies go, I think it might be hard to top Eleanor R., but Nancy too, has a heart of gold ... if not quite as strong leadership qualities.

andrew

Dondi · 09-01-2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by taijasi

lol - Goodness no! (sic) But indeed, I was thinking much more along the lines of an Eleanor Roosevelt.

Hilary, however, over those other two, any day!

But if I were forced to vote for a Republican, and a semi-conservative Christian, how about Nancy Reagan? As first ladies go, I think it might be hard to top Eleanor R., but Nancy too, has a heart of gold ... if not quite as strong leadership qualities.

andrew

#1 - Eleanor Roosevelt was a Democrat

#2 - Eleanor Roosevelt is dead.

#3 - Nancy Reagan isn't too far behind.

#4 - Let's get up to date, people.

Quahom1 · 09-02-2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kenod

I was actually thinking of the last two chapters of Revelation, and Joseph as a type of Jesus Christ: sold for pieces of silver, went down into the pit, and was raised to the right hand of power. Somehow, I don't think the Lord God runs a democracy ... but until that time comes, our two countries are about as good as it gets, I reckon

True, but He does oversee a whole bunch of them...

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Quahom1 · 09-02-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

#1 - Eleanor Roosevelt was a Democrat

#2 - Eleanor Roosevelt is dead.

#3 - Nancy Reagan isn't too far behind.

#4 - Let's get up to date, people.

E. Roosevelt was a spitfire and cared about people, and made damn sure her husband projected the same to the public.

Nancy Reagan was Ronald Reagan's booster and biggest fan. She did have Donald Regan fired (no small potatoes there).

There is no up to date, candidate because we haven't seen their "history" as history presents people...

Would Hillary Clinton or Rice, or Dole be good first women presidents for the US? Probably. They are strong willed, and tough as nails, and full of "grace" under fire. At least they project such to the public. And that is what a president is supposed to do.

my thoughts

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kenod · 09-02-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Elizabeth Dole, or Condoleeza Rice, or both...

I think taijasi was leaning more towards Jane Fonda

flowperson · 09-02-2006, 02:49 PM

If one backtracks the name "Joseph" to its various meanings in the Hebrew Dictionary in the Strong's Concordance you get the concept of "one who is added".

What do any of you believe that means? Another country, another race, another tribe, another planet ? And what was the significance of his coat of many colors. Was he representing himself as a manifestation of the Central-South American cultural G-d of creation "the Rainbow Feathered Serpent"? And further what might it mean to attach the same name to Jesus' father, even though the Bible says that he didn't do the necessary deed. Just asking....

flow....

Quahom1 · 09-02-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by flowperson

If one backtracks the name "Joseph" to its various meanings in the Hebrew Dictionary in the Strong's Concordance you get the concept of "one who is added".

What do any of you believe that means? Another country, another race, another tribe, another planet ? And what was the significance of his coat of many colors. Was he representing himself as a manifestation of the Central-South American cultural G-d of creation "the Rainbow Feathered Serpent"? And further what might it mean to attach the same name to Jesus' father, even though the Bible says that he didn't do the necessary deed. Just asking....

flow....

Joseph, son of Jacob is the only set of Hebrew names ever inscribed in Egyptian glyphs concerning the leadership of the Egyptians. The actual signats used to seal official documents have been found. And the coat of colors was a gift from an old father to his youngest son (whom he favored over all). As far as being added, perhaps as simply as being added to the family (along with the rest of the kids).

kenod · 09-02-2006, 05:18 PM

If you see Joseph as a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ - sold for pieces of silver, went down to the pit, raised to the right hand of power - the type is further confirmed by the "coat of many colours" (rainbow) which is associated with Christ in The Revelation ... the rainbow being a sign that God keeps His covenant with humankind.

Quahom1 · 09-02-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kenod

If you see Joseph as a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ - sold for pieces of silver, went down to the pit, raised to the right hand of power - the type is further confirmed by the "coat of many colours" (rainbow) which is associated with Christ in The Revelation ... the rainbow being a sign that God keeps His covenant with humankind.

...As well as the seperation of light frequencies through a prism affect caused by water vapor filtering the light coming from the sun (which can only be viewed with the sun behind a person)...

But it is still a miracle to observe and reflect upon...

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flowperson · 09-02-2006, 11:58 PM

"... the rainbow being a sign that G-d keeps His covenant with humankind."
Kenod:
Well...lots of people use the rainbow as a symbol of sorts. There's Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow-Push Coalition in Chicago, and then there is the use of rainbow flags by the Gay-Lesbian movement pretty much universally now. Do you believe that these uses are insincere, or some sort of attempt to wrap their causes with sacred connotations ?
Q:
I agree with your comments regarding Jacob's son, Joseph, from a biblical-literalist viewpoint. But don't you think some of the story might be metaphorical? As you pointed out there appears to be historical context for Joseph's time in Egypt, although I've not personally run across any references myself.

I myself most like the use of the rainbow symbol in that famous song in The Wizard of Oz.

flow....

Quahom1 · 09-03-2006, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by flowperson

"... the rainbow being a sign that G-d keeps His covenant with humankind."
Kenod:
Well...lots of people use the rainbow as a symbol of sorts. There's Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow-Push Coalition in Chicago, and then there is the use of rainbow flags by the Gay-Lesbian movement pretty much universally now. Do you believe that these uses are insincere, or some sort of attempt to wrap their causes with sacred connotations ?
Q:
I agree with your comments regarding Jacob's son, Joseph, from a biblical-literalist viewpoint. But don't you think some of the story might be metaphorical? As you pointed out there appears to be historical context for Joseph's time in Egypt, although I've not personally run across any references myself.

I myself most like the use of the rainbow symbol in that famous song in The Wizard of Oz.

flow....

Until I saw the actual evidence... yes. Now? no. And it was all on TV. Then I found it on line, and in the library (under new information). I do like to check and back check.

Flow, they said Joseph never existed, it was all a "pipe dream".

Now, they are back tracking faster than a GT 500 Mustang...

He existed, he was son of Jacov (Jacob), he was Hebrew, but Pharoh's right hand man, he sealed the fate of everything with his "signat".

Egypt did go through seven years of plenty, followed by seven years of famine, but they weathered the rough time well...The "silos" are still there...

Did you know that Egypt orders the archeological digs covered each year, and planted with farm crops? Now why would the government of Egypt insist on that?

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edit: amazing coincidence, that the Pharoh that Moses grew up under, as a son, named his own son
"Atmose", for example. Oh, Atmose means "brother of Moses"...they have Atmose's mumified body in state...not much news about that in the papers now, is there...

flowperson · 09-03-2006, 12:57 AM

Q:
Believable it is, but I myself don't believe much of what's on TV.

Yes...I'm pretty sure that he existed, aside from the proof you've found. As I've said several times here, all great and believable mythology contains kernels of truth that our researchers seem to uncover these days when we least expect it. By the way, I again think that you'd really enjoy the periodical that I mentioned previously, Biblical Archaeology Review.

I also think that the central point of the story is that those who lived in enslaved societies, such as ancient Egypt...great and majestic as it was, are not as capable of creative thinking as are those who live in relatively free societies, such as the biblical land of the Hebrews. Joseph's free upbringing "allowed" him to see and interpret things in Pharoh's dreams that even his wisest advisers were not capable of doing. And thus did Joseph make his mark, with his brain.

flow....