If You Were God Part I: The Time to Come

[flowperson]

wil...wonderful words, thoughts, and images my brother !

flow....

[aburaees]

Originally Posted by Genesis 3:22

22 And Jehovah God went on to say: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite,—”

I would like to let humans eat also from the tree of life. In the beginning Adam and Eve had the choice - it was one or the other. This time I'd let people pick both.

Originally Posted by "Genesis 11:6

6 After that Jehovah said: “Look! They are one people and there is one language for them all, and this is what they start to do. Why, now there is nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be unattainable for them. 7 Come now! Let us go down and there confuse their language that they may not listen to one another’s language.”

I would like humans to have one language. I'm not going to force a particular language on anyone, just "make it so" that everyone can understand everyone else - like the universal translator on Star Trek. I would like to see what humans will attain now bearing in mind that nothing will be unattainable.

I would like to roll out the Earth so it becomes flat, and everyone will see the same sky and actually see God's cozy slippers tapping on his footstool. Then we would all be conscious that he is watching us.

I would like the Earth to be like CR, using the walled-garden approach. If anyone has violent tendencies, they can go in that corner. If anyone has peaceful tendencies, they can go in this corner. People will be automatically transported to different areas for acting out of character in any particular area.

I would like God to write his own Bible using his own hands, just like the writing on the wall in Babylon, or the commandments on the stone tablets. Everyone would get a copy and we won't have to rely on human scribes to accurately transmit the info to us.

I would like Satan to write his own side of the story, I'm pretty sure that he has been libelled or slandered a few times by some of us humans - I mean, he can't be that stupid to openly challenge an omnipotent being. I wouldn't challenge the UFC featherweight champion, pretty sure Satan wouldn't really challenge God unless God was 'up for it'.

That's enough for now. Might post some more later.

[China Cat Sunflower]

I was thinking about this: If I were God, would I set things up so there was no death, disease, or bad stuff in general? I read Genesis allegorically. It would seem that man needed to fall in order to become human. Surely if God is as smart as we all think It is It wouldn't have set things up so that man fell without it being necessary. Would It? But I don't like the answers I get from eastern thought: like, it's all karma. It has to be simpler yet more complex than that. I like the Jewish version where we work our way out.

Chris

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by wil

Rumi's -How can we be polished if we can't take the rubbing?

I don't think G-d sees any evil, man's version of G-d at times is evil, but not G-d.

I've gone through as all of us many deaths in my family. Many bad times, debilitating illnesses, forclosures, divorce, losing everything, fires, floods, starting over...

I can never see the good in it all while I am in it. G-d can. Our souls are growing, learning, moving forward. Post script, I am alive and breathing. Post script for my loved ones that have transitioned...I don't know. Are they headed to a heaven, or reincarnated on earth, or back to ashes. I don't know. But I believe thier souls are still learning, and learned a lot from their time here in 3d and their passing to the next phase.

I can't see the good while I'm in it. But I know it is there, and I know we all grow from it, and in time I realize it is that very path that got me here, and with any changes to that path, things would not be as they are.

I think spirit is doing fine...that your beautiful utopian world is but a choice, and one for us to choose. Truth is we choose differently all the time, but the more we, the more I choose tolerance, the more I choose peace, the more I choose health, the more I choose love, the more I glorify breath, each breath, sight, each sight....

The closer we are to the utopia G-d intends for us, the closer we are to the utopia you describe...but if it were given...without effort, without choice...like a lottery winner we would lose it...we need to know that we have choice and choose it...every day, every minute, every second...

And we need all those around us to know we are making that choice..so when we wander off our path...we can be nudged back on...

You are G-d, in the image, with the power....just need to be aware of that our perceptions, thoughts, words and actions are constantly creating our world that our choices are either choosing the Utopia G-d has for us or as we condemn others we are maintaining the status quo.

Wil,

Was that really you writing those first few paragraphs, or the very same God of the status quo?

- c -

[wil]

Originally Posted by Ciel

Wil,

Was that really you writing those first few paragraphs, or the very same God of the status quo?

- c -

Is that a nudge I am contemplating? Was I too condemning of myself and society, help me out with your thought and questions.

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by wil

Is that a nudge I am contemplating? Was I too condemning of myself and society, help me out with your thought and questions.

Wil,

Dare I say, not condemning enough of a "something" that would put you and others through such measures. I do believe God does see good and evil, but sometimes through the weight of the balance the power, God has been unable to sway the lower realms that gain their manifestations through the hardships of humanity. Giving them all gratefulness gives them power to produce more.

I also believe you would have got to the place you are now anyway. Because it was already there for you in your own divine plan, part of the contract of why you are here on this planet at this time. And there could have been so many more tears of laughter and joy instead of the tears of trials of a life for you and every one.

love - c -

[wil]

Originally Posted by Ciel

Dare I say, not condemning enough of a "something" that would put you and others through such measures. I do believe God does see good and evil, but sometimes through the weight of the balance the power, God has been unable to sway the lower realms that gain their manifestations through the hardships of humanity.

hmmm..."something", now this is where I always got in trouble with my first wife, trying to discern what she meant as I was to daft to decipher the riddle while she insisted I read her mind. Now this "something" see I don't know if you are referring to my inadequacies, 'the devil' or whetehr I should be shaking my fist at the heavens.

I've done that, shook my fist at the world, the heavens, at people...all in vain realizing now that it is me that needs to change. Everyone is doing the best with the knowledge they currently have... I remember quite clearly when my sister went blind (diabetes, the same thing that killed her at the age of 39) She was in the hospital, she must have been around 34 at the time, while she was in the hospital there was fire in the building her flat was in, so while her space was not damaged the building was condemned. So my mom and I flew in, rented her another place for her and moved her in. So she was to be leaving the hospital, blind, to a new apartment that she'd never been in, and we arranged all her furniture, her kitchen, her closets... We went to the hospital to pick her up. The doctor told her what she could expect as far as recovery in sight, time frames, potential each eye etc. He then motioned for my mom and I to go out into the hall and told us the odds were high she'd never see again.

I lit into him, told him what I thought of him leading a patient on and leaving it to the family to tell her the truth. My mom told me to calm down, (she was a nurse) and be reasonable, I told her I was reasonable, my fingers were not around this idiots throat. That was the old me.

My sister lost her job (she did fundraising for Greenpeace, and groups like them) I thought that was ridiculous, that this so called liberal, caring organization dumped her once she was blind. She took it all in stride, completely all in stride. Greenpeace went to her and dumped the other marketing consultant and said they wanted her, Lighthouse for the Blind hired her when she informed them what she could do for them in direct mail. She slowly went through her apartment asking where stuff was, drawer by drawer, hanger by hanger, through every cupboard. She didn't move anything we put in, she accepted it and moved on.

I started out this post thinking I was going to say how much I learn from my issues, my trauma. In writing it I learned how much influence my sister's trauma and her reaction to it made in my life. I live my life now, much as she did then, realizing there are some cards in my hand, and I need to play them, and play them well, to get dealt the next hand, or reshuffle the deck. Nothing that she encountered phased her, she took it in, made some adjustments and moved on.

She had tons of stories about her not being able to see, asking folks in grocery stores to read labels to her, we laugh today as her most common phrase was holding something up saying, "What's this?" She loved to cook and find new recipes, which made her have to go to new shops and find the products for herself...this didn't stop her. She lived in San Francisco, taking buses and trolley cars around town. Hollering at people who crossed before the light changes "What are you trying to kill me? I rely on your movement to know it is safe to cross, and the light didn't click! (she stood by the pole listening for the traffic to stop, the people to move, and the light box click all to coincide). She learned to ask in a line if she was in the right line, when she once waited an hour in the wrong line at the post office...and thought she was in line to check out at a store and was headed into the ladies room...

I'm not saying G-d intentionally puts these trials out there for us. I do believe things were set in motion, and we are playing out that motion. And we'll all end up in the same place on our various and sundry paths... That our job is to understand how powerful we are, and learn from our choices.

And also in writing this, it was just nailed home, how people watch our actions, and learn from them as well.

thank you Lu for the lessons, Ciel for the contemplation and peace and blessings all.

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by wil

hmmm..."something", now this is where I always got in trouble with my first wife, trying to discern what she meant as I was to daft to decipher the riddle while she insisted I read her mind. Now this "something" see I don't know if you are referring to my inadequacies, 'the devil' or whetehr.

Wil,
I promise you the "something" is nothing personal to you.
To rephrase it, I would say neither is it personal to God

peace - c -

[wil]

Originally Posted by Ciel

Wil,
I promise you the "something" is nothing personal to you.
To rephrase it, I would say neither is it personal to God

peace - c -

ah...if I am understanding you correctly that is exactly what I've grown out of. I accept responsibility for causing, attracting or asking for that which goes on around me.

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by wil

ah...if I am understanding you correctly that is exactly what I've grown out of. I accept responsibility for causing, attracting or asking for that which goes on around me.

Hi Wil,

Yes, responsibility, always...........

.......mmm, but, completely different wavelengh.

- c -

[wil]

Originally Posted by Ciel

Hi Wil,

Yes, responsibility, always...........

.......mmm, but, completely different wavelengh.

- c -

you related to my ex? Ok if I were G-d telepathy would be the sixth sense and be quite clear...we wouldn't have lost the ability so many years ago...darn speech and writing...

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by wil

you related to my ex? Ok if I were G-d telepathy would be the sixth sense and be quite clear...we wouldn't have lost the ability so many years ago...darn speech and writing...

But I bet, somewhere she still loves you.....

- c -

[wil]

Originally Posted by Ciel

But I bet, somewhere she still loves you.....

oh, no doubt, and I her, but choices were made...and personal responsiblity being what it is...I either grow from the lessons or live to repeat them!

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by wil

oh, no doubt, and I her, but choices were made...and personal responsiblity being what it is...I either grow from the lessons or live to repeat them!

Gotta be an end to all the repetitions some day.

Do you know the quote, Yesterday was another land, they spoke a different language there.........

- c -

[wil]

Originally Posted by Ciel

Gotta be an end to all the repetitions some day.

Do you know the quote, Yesterday was another land, they spoke a different language there.........

- c -

No searched and didn't find... I think the end of the repetitions is when we learn our lessons and are ready to move on. I described somewhere else I look at it like our parents did with toys....you can have more once you learn to take care of the ones you've got. We've been given this big blue ball, all these other beings to play with, and an incredible vehicle to do it in, and once we learn to take care of the planet, our fellow creatures, and our body temple, we've learned the lessons we came to 3D to explore...and we will be prepared for the lessons in the next phase...no matter how many lives it takes...we'll get to the next phase eventually...I just hope I don't run out of quarters!