identifying...Babylon the great

[Faithfulservant]

Babylon was Iraq and is still Iraq and will be Iraq when its completely destroyed...

I take the WHOLE bible literally.. not just bits and pieces..a fast food religion.. served just the way you like it.

[BlaznFattyz]

i'll have an order of fries with that.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Babylon was Iraq and is still Iraq and will be Iraq when its completely destroyed...

I take the WHOLE bible literally.. not just bits and pieces..a fast food religion.. served just the way you like it.

yes the bible harmonizes throughout and the last book is presented in signs and symbolisim for the most part.
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw. 3 Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near. revelation 1;1-3................... yes the appointed time is near when ALL FALSE RELIGION will be no more ,so i am out of babylon the great because she is going down in a big way never to be found again.
SUDDEN, shocking, devastating—such will be the demise of Babylon the Great! It will be one of the most catastrophic events in all history, marking the start of the "great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again."—Matthew 24:21.Jehovahs people have been getting out of false religion for many years now , that is the way to go because then Jehovah will take us in . thrilling times indeed.Happy are those who hear the words of the prophecy and observe the things in it.
babylon the great is the religious antitype of ancient Babylon.
Babylon the Great has fallen, opening the way for God’s people to be released and restored, to their land of spiritual prosperity. after babylon the great fell
false religion could no longer keep a hold on Jehovah’s people.
Ancient Babylon’s fall in 539 B.C.E. was the start of a long decline that ended in her desolation. watch this space false religion is on the way out for good. getting out of her is the way to go.

[Faithfulservant]

Sorry mee I dont see symbolism and signs.. I see literal truth. Iraq is babylon.. ALL FALSE RELIGION is any religion that denies the diety of Jesus Christ. To me..mee... that is truth.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Sorry mee I dont see symbolism and signs.. I see literal truth. Iraq is babylon.. ALL FALSE RELIGION is any religion that denies the diety of Jesus Christ. To me..mee... that is truth.

So what does 'deity' or 'diety' mean to you? Creator of the Universe? Author of the bible? Your maker?

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

So what does 'deity' or 'diety' mean to you? Creator of the Universe? Author of the bible? Your maker?

Yes Creator God.. El Shaddai, The Almighty.. Jehovah God.. Yahweh.. Adonai..Yeshua... Jesus, The Lord is my Salvation.. The Cornerstone of my faith... The beginning and the end The Alpha and the Omega... Elohim.. The Word. The Shepard.. The slain Lamb.. The King of Kings the Lord of Lords..The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.. The God of Israel. The Holy one of Israel.. The Redeemer. The Spirit of God.. The Comforter.. The Helper..

All of the above.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

So what does 'deity' or 'diety' mean to you? Creator of the Universe? Author of the bible? Your maker?

My 2cp.

http://www.comparative-religion.com/...esus-5101.html

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Sorry mee I dont see symbolism and signs.. I see literal truth. Iraq is babylon.. ALL FALSE RELIGION is any religion that denies the diety of Jesus Christ. To me..mee... that is truth.

according to the bible, false religion is producing rotten fruitage and is offensive to God....... meddling in war and politics is one thing that true religion should not be doing but they do, most religions spread false doctrine , they teach that the soul or spirit is some invisible part of a human that survives the death of the physical body. however the bible teaches a different doctrine.THE SOUL THAT IS SINNING IT ITSELF WILL DIE ezekiel18;4 the living are conscious that they will die,but as for the dead they are conscious of nothing at all Ecclesiastes9;5 many many religions have spread false doctrines down through time and many have been decieved by this spreading of false doctrine . Jesus taught that the dead will be resurrected, an unnecessary action if humans had an immortal soul.John 11;11-25 and many religions tolarate immoral sex. in western lands church groups ordain Gay and lesbian members of the clergy and urge goverments to recognize same -sex marriages. what though does the bible teach? it plainly states in 1 corinthians 6;9-10 DO NOT BE MISLED and lists the things that God says are wrong. yes these things are offensive to God . and Jesus christ indicated that false religion produces bad works ,just as a rotten tree produces worthless fruit matthew 7;15-17

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by mee

...most religions spread false doctrine , they teach that the soul or spirit is some invisible part of a human that survives the death of the physical body. however the bible teaches a different doctrine. THE SOUL THAT IS SINNING IT ITSELF WILL DIE ezekiel18;4

Is that what makes you think the soul or spirit is visible... because it can die? What is the soul and spirit then? Why two... dualism? Two parts of a Trinity? If you claim to know that most religions spread false doctrine... I would expect good answers from you.

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Yes Creator God.. El Shaddai, The Almighty.. Jehovah God.. Yahweh.. Adonai..Yeshua... Jesus, The Lord is my Salvation.. The Cornerstone of my faith... The beginning and the end The Alpha and the Omega... Elohim.. The Word. The Shepard.. The slain Lamb.. The King of Kings the Lord of Lords..The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.. The God of Israel. The Holy one of Israel.. The Redeemer. The Spirit of God.. The Comforter.. The Helper..

All of the above.

The scripture loses a lot of the meaning to me lumping all of the names into one. I will have to compile a list of arguments I guess. How do you explain the scripture I was pointing out where Jesus (pbuh) said that he was not glorifying himself? That he glorifies God (swt) the Father and the Father glorifies him?

[BlaznFattyz]

he didnt come as just any man preaching another philosophy or religion of man, he came as the son of god to speak the word of god directly from god, and to call others to the kingdom of god, and he fulfilled the words of god as our lord god and saviour whom the father had announced, and thru christ alone we have reconciliation back to god.

false religion denies the deity of christ as the way, the truth, and the life. false religion casts doubt on the authority and validity of the holy bible. false religion takes the focus off jesus christ and puts it on man.

[kenod]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

The scripture loses a lot of the meaning to me lumping all of the names into one. I will have to compile a list of arguments I guess. How do you explain the scripture I was pointing out where Jesus (pbuh) said that he was not glorifying himself? That he glorifies God (swt) the Father and the Father glorifies him?

It is not commonly believed among Christians today, but the way I understand the Scriptures, it was the Father living in Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 9:6
and his name shall be called … The mighty God, The everlasting Father

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 14:10
the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

The scripture loses a lot of the meaning to me lumping all of the names into one. I will have to compile a list of arguments I guess. How do you explain the scripture I was pointing out where Jesus (pbuh) said that he was not glorifying himself? That he glorifies God (swt) the Father and the Father glorifies him?

Ive said this before.. when God put on flesh He was putting on man and became lesser than The Father.. but He was still God just a bit lesser until His resurrection. Jesus brings glory to the Father and the Father shares His glory with Jesus... The Spirit points us directly towards Jesus.. Its a triangle.. they all work together for the Glory of God..

[mee]

[quote=cyberpi]Is that what makes you think the soul or spirit is visible... because it can die? What is the soul and spirit then? Why two... dualism? Two parts of a Trinity? If you claim to know that most religions spread false doctrine... I would expect good answers from you.


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The original-language terms (Heb., ne´phesh [

נפ?]; Gr., psy·khe´ [ψυχή]) as used in the Scriptures show "soul" to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal enjoys.

The connotations that the English "soul" commonly carries in the minds of most persons are not in agreement with the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words as used by the inspired Bible writers.
What is the origin of the teaching that the human soul is invisible and immortal?
The difficulty lies in the fact that the meanings popularly attached to the English word "soul" stem primarily, not from the Hebrew or Christian Greek Scriptures, but from ancient Greek philosophy, actually pagan religious thought.

[mee]

SPIRIT

The Greek pneu´ma (spirit) comes from pne´o, meaning "breathe or blow," and the Hebrew ru´ach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ru´ach and pneu´ma, then, basically mean "breath" but have extended meanings beyond that basic sense. (Compare Hab 2:19; Re 13:15.) They can also mean wind; the vital force in living creatures; one’s spirit; spirit persons, including God and his angelic creatures; and God’s active force, or holy spirit. (Compare Koehler and Baumgartner’s Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros, Leiden, 1958, pp. 877-879; Brown, Driver, and Briggs’ Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, 1980, pp. 924-926; Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by G. Friedrich, translated by G. Bromiley, 1971, Vol. VI, pp. 332-451.) All these meanings have something in common: They all refer to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects.

Another Hebrew word, nesha·mah´ (Ge 2:7), also means "breath," but it is more limited in range of meaning than ru´ach. The Greek pno·e´ seems to have a similar limited sense (Ac 17:25) and was used by the Septuagint translators to render nesha·mah´.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by mee

SPIRIT

The Greek pneu´ma (spirit) comes from pne´o, meaning "breathe or blow," and the Hebrew ru´ach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ru´ach and pneu´ma, then, basically mean "breath" but have extended meanings beyond that basic sense. (Compare Hab 2:19; Re 13:15.) They can also mean wind; the vital force in living creatures; one’s spirit; spirit persons, including God and his angelic creatures; and God’s active force, or holy spirit. (Compare Koehler and Baumgartner’s Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros, Leiden, 1958, pp. 877-879; Brown, Driver, and Briggs’ Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, 1980, pp. 924-926; Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by G. Friedrich, translated by G. Bromiley, 1971, Vol. VI, pp. 332-451.) All these meanings have something in common: They all refer to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects.

Another Hebrew word, nesha·mah´ (Ge 2:7), also means "breath," but it is more limited in range of meaning than ru´ach. The Greek pno·e´ seems to have a similar limited sense (Ac 17:25) and was used by the Septuagint translators to render nesha·mah´.

Spirit = Pneu'ma (greek) KJV new testament greek lexicon

1. the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
   1. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)
   2. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)
   3. never referred to as a depersonalised force
2. the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
   1. the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
   2. the soul
3. a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
   1. a life giving spirit
   2. a human soul that has left the body
   3. a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
      1. used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
      2. the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
4. the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
   1. the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.
5. a movement of air (a gentle blast)
   1. of the wind, hence the wind itself
   2. breath of nostrils or mouth

Spirit = Ruwach the kjv old testament hebrew lexicon

1. wind, breath, mind, spirit
2. breath
3. wind
   1. of heaven
   2. quarter (of wind), side
   3. breath of air
   4. air, gas
   5. vain, empty thing
4. spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation)
   1. spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour
   2. courage
   3. temper, anger
   4. impatience, patience
   5. spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented)
   6. disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse
   7. prophetic spirit
5. spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals)
   1. as gift, preserved by God, God's spirit, departing at death, disembodied being
6. spirit (as seat of emotion)
   1. desire
   2. sorrow, trouble
7. spirit
   1. as seat or organ of mental acts
   2. rarely of the will
   3. as seat especially of moral character
8. Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
   1. as inspiring ecstatic state of prophecy
   2. as impelling prophet to utter instruction or warning
   3. imparting warlike energy and executive and administrative power
   4. as endowing men with various gifts
   5. as energy of life
   6. as manifest in the Shekinah glory
   7. never referred to as a depersonalised force