identifying...Babylon the great

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Besides the Catholic Church having it's nation/city (The Vatican) located in Rome, it is not Rome.

Rome was part of the papal states until just over 100 years ago.

The hierarchical power structure of the whole RC church emanates directly from the Vatican in Rome.

Today, Vatican territory surrounds the ancient city of Rome in the form of the papal basilicas.

There is a continuity between ancient Rome and papal Rome that is significant - many see this as the fulfilment of “the beast that was, and is not, and yet is” (Rev 17:8).

I don’t know how many the RC church killed. Is there an official number? I know some sources put it it in the millions.

[mee]

[quote=kenod]




There is a continuity between ancient Rome and papal Rome that is significant - many see this as the fulfilment of “the beast that was, and is not, and yet is” (Rev 17:8).

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The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. rev 17;8 the last days are revealing many things about the book of revelation, The league of nations was, then it was not, then it came out of the abyss as the united nations, but it will go off into destruction
When the religious leaders of Christendom identified the United Nations with God’s Kingdom and the gospel, that was idolatry
When the nations not only rejected God’s Kingdom established in 1914, but also established their own organization to bring peace, that was rebellion. When religious leaders of Christendom identified that organization with God’s Kingdom and the Gospel, proclaiming it to be "the only available instrument" for bringing peace, that was idolatry. They were putting it in the position of God’s Kingdom, "in a holy place." Certainly, it was "standing where it ought not." (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14) And religious leaders continue to support the League’s successor, the United Nations, rather than point men to God’s established Kingdom

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by kenod

Rome was part of the papal states until just over 100 years ago.

The hierarchical power structure of the whole RC church emanates directly from the Vatican in Rome.

Today, Vatican territory surrounds the ancient city of Rome in the form of the papal basilicas.

There is a continuity between ancient Rome and papal Rome that is significant - many see this as the fulfilment of “the beast that was, and is not, and yet is” (Rev 17:8).

I don’t know how many the RC church killed. Is there an official number? I know some sources put it it in the millions.

Don't know off hand (I wasn't there) , but I'm sure I can find the data.

edit: Here, between 1198 and 1834 it is estimated that the Papasy, or under the influence of the papacy, 50 to 100 million people were killed (or 70,000 to 140,000 people were killed on average, each year for 700 years.

[kenod]

Originally Posted by mee

The league of nations was, then it was not, then it came out of the abyss as the united nations, but it will go off into destruction

I am wondering how you understand the reference to 666:

Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man;
and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.(Rev 13:18)

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Here, between 1198 and 1834 it is estimated that the Papacy, or under the influence of the papacy, 50 to 100 million people were killed

Do you know if the RC church has formally renounced the use of force to get heretics to recant? I'm not suggesting it still happens, but I'm wondering if the belief that we should "compel" them to come in is still official doctrine.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by kenod

Do you know if the RC church has formally renounced the use of force to get heretics to recant? I'm not suggesting it still happens, but I'm wondering if the belief that we should "compel" them to come in is still official doctrine.

Because the rules to allow such are still on the books. And there still is the office of inquisition, only it now has a different name. In fact the office has had three name changes in the past 100 or so years. Why? The Catholic church still has the authority to excommunicate Catholics for heretical thoughts.

[tommy]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

The city of Rome is known for another religion that spans the entire world...Liberalism. Now this "religion" is not passive, it is so strong it is wrecking havoc even in the United States. It is not a "let it be" religion, as it is as we live and breathe, attempting to remove anything Christian from the world mind. It wants parents to lose their rights to raising their children as they see fit, it wants marriage convoluted, it wants the laws that God gave to man erased. It wants talk of the Christian God shut down on the radio waves, on the internet, and even in the houses of families.

No other religion is being attacked by this force (yet), because Christianity really puts a kink in its "do as we please, and as we say" style. Most faiths tend to adapt some of the Liberalism religion, except for core Christianity.

And the Liberalism religion is growing faster than any other religion on earth...

Those that run this religion are not stupid, they let other religions do the work for them, but once they feel satisfied that all obstacles are out of the way...all religions will be destroyed.

Let me see if I understand this. The leberals are Babylon the Great. I never thought about it like this. Rush Limbaugh would love this.

I see this empire or city as three potential scenarios 1) Political 2) Business and 3) Religious. A Political empire (i.e. Liberal) would have to be ruled out because the Bible states in Rev 17:1 that the kings of the earth (political elements) committed fornification with her.

It can't be business either because Rev 18:11 says "the traveling merchants (business) of the earth are weeping and mourning over her". Rev 18:23 says "no light of a lamp will shine in you again and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again because your traveling merchants (business) were the top ranking men of the earth, for your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled". Sounds like it's referring to religious here.

Notice it says "all the nations" were misled so there it is not just one religion or county either. So this narrows down Bablylon the Great to be a religious empire (not business or government) that would be common to all the nations which soulnds like a pretty mass scale bigger than just the liberal group.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Quahom1
The city of Rome is known for another religion that spans the entire world...Liberalism. Now this "religion" is not passive, it is so strong it is wrecking havoc even in the United States. It is not a "let it be" religion, as it is as we live and breathe, attempting to remove anything Christian from the world mind. It wants parents to lose their rights to raising their children as they see fit, it wants marriage convoluted, it wants the laws that God gave to man erased. It wants talk of the Christian God shut down on the radio waves, on the internet, and even in the houses of families.

No other religion is being attacked by this force (yet), because Christianity really puts a kink in its "do as we please, and as we say" style. Most faiths tend to adapt some of the Liberalism religion, except for core Christianity.

And the Liberalism religion is growing faster than any other religion on earth...

Those that run this religion are not stupid, they let other religions do the work for them, but once they feel satisfied that all obstacles are out of the way...all religions will be destroyed.

Namaste Q,

I tried to find some info on this, can you provide some more enlightenment?

It sounds so similar to what Hillary always complained about that the 'they' were always out to get Bill. Other side of the fence but sounds like the same type of conspiracy.

Who are those that run this religion, who are 'they'?

I found two possible windows to what you are speaking, is either of them correct?

http://www.ewtn.com/library/theology/libsin.HTM
http://www.jaygaskill.com/liberalismasreligion.htm

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by tommy

Let me see if I understand this. The leberals are Babylon the Great. I never thought about it like this. Rush Limbaugh would love this.

I see this empire or city as three potential scenarios 1) Political 2) Business and 3) Religious. A Political empire (i.e. Liberal) would have to be ruled out because the Bible states in Rev 17:1 that the kings of the earth (political elements) committed fornification with her.

It can't be business either because Rev 18:11 says "the traveling merchants (business) of the earth are weeping and mourning over her". Rev 18:23 says "no light of a lamp will shine in you again and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again because your traveling merchants (business) were the top ranking men of the earth, for your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled". Sounds like it's referring to religious here.

Notice it says "all the nations" were misled so there it is not just one religion or county either. So this narrows down Bablylon the Great to be a religious empire (not business or government) that would be common to all the nations which soulnds like a pretty mass scale bigger than just the liberal group.

No, that is not what I said. I said the new religion called the Liberalism Religion makes the US and European "Liberals" (political preference), look like conservatives. Try reading my post again.

v/r

Q

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Q,

I tried to find some info on this, can you provide some more enlightenment?

It sounds so similar to what Hillary always complained about that the 'they' were always out to get Bill. Other side of the fence but sounds like the same type of conspiracy.

Who are those that run this religion, who are 'they'?

I found two possible windows to what you are speaking, is either of them correct?

http://www.ewtn.com/library/theology/libsin.HTM
http://www.jaygaskill.com/liberalismasreligion.htm

Rather laced with disdain in their opening remarks, however they do identify some key objectives and strategies, of the Liberalism Religion force.

As far as "who" is running this religion? I'm working on that, but one has to work backwards to the "source". And I'm not ready to give an "opinion" on that as of yet, until I'm certain I have my facts straight. One method I am using however is tracing back leaders of various groups of influence, today. I look for who they answer to, and what affiliations they have, and if there is crossover between one or a series of these groups. For example, what is behind the ACLU (as an entity in general), and the Teachers Union (again as an entity in general). In otherwords, who do they get their marching orders from? Next, track back behind the new leads, to see where they get their orders from.

Sort of like "reverse engineering"...

To me it is an eye opener, and an excercize in discovery and reality.

[mee]

Originally Posted by kenod

I am wondering how you understand the reference to 666:

Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man;
and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.(Rev 13:18)

yes, 666 misses the mark of perfection in a big way, 3 for making a pointA clue to the meaning of 666 lies in its being "a man’s number," or as The Amplified Bible puts it, "a human number."
the beast’s having "a human number," or mark, suggests that it is a human entity

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

yes, 666 misses the mark of perfection in a big way, 3 for making a pointA clue to the meaning of 666 lies in its being "a man’s number," or as The Amplified Bible puts it, "a human number."
the beast’s having "a human number," or mark, suggests that it is a human entity

It is the number of "man", not a man...read Revelations again.

[tommy]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

No, that is not what I said. I said the new religion called the Liberalism Religion makes the US and European "Liberals" (political preference), look like conservatives. Try reading my post again.

v/r

Q

Thanks Josh, I see what you mean how is makes US look like Liberals. For the most part I wanted to hear from others if they thought Bablylon the Great was religious, nation or business. Also, if it was on a large scale to encompass many religions or if most folks thought one religion or nation.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

It is the number of "man", not a man...read Revelations again.

the reason it is a number of man ,is because manmade things will always miss the mark of perfection ,7 being the number of perfection regarding things on the earth. so 666 says it all really.

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

It is the number of "man", not a man...read Revelations again.

Which suggests it may be a title of a role rather than a particular man's name. Anyway, we are told to count, or calculate, the number ... sounds like a maths calculation ... adding the number value of the letters, maybe? Any ideas?