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HPB's Guides
Hi Friends,
Dr. Steiner did discuss the individuals who influenced Mdme Blavatsky: Quote:
There is more information on the Theosophical History website. In the book H.P.B. Speaks vol 1 p140 we hear that the Mahatma Serapis (The Egyptian) commissions H.P.B. to go to India, 14 November, 1878.Who were HPB's additional guides? Quote:
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John King was a thought-form, a tulpa, or what Thomas here at CR calls an egregoire, after Eliphas Levi I believe.
John King was one of the methods that HPB's Trans-Himalayan Mahatmas used to communicate with her (or heck, I dunno, maybe Masters Serapis, Hilarion, et al) also used it. Master Hilarion is a Greek, or Cretan Master, though I think He is described in a meeting with H.S. Olcott as "a swarthy Cypriote." Master Serapis, of course, along with Tuitit Bey, is an Egyptian. HPB also met and knew Master Rakoczi, Whom she learned from and worked with in her immediately previous incarnation as Alessandro Cagliostro. But then, HPB also knew Master Jupiter, or Lord Agastya (of Indian legend), Narayan, the Rishi of the Nilgiri Hills ... Whom she called "the Old Gentleman." This is the senior-most Master in the Hierarchy, age-wise (presumably meaning, in terms of how long any one Master of the 63 has been a member). It is not quite clear whether HPB may have met the Maha Chohan of the time, or the Christ (Bodhisattva) ... but in a letter to her family, written to inform them that she was safe and sound in Tibet, the `Lord Sangyas' - or Buddha - is mentioned. I rather take this to mean that the Buddha's protective Hand was overshadowing her ... given the nature of the work she was fulfilling. It is, of course, conceivable that HPB knew several more of the Masters, as her travels in India, South America, Europe, and elsewhere would have made this quite possible. Now compare, that while HPB actually met the half dozen and more above Masters in person ... Alice Bailey NEVER personally met the Tibetan Master DK, for Whom she wrote nineteen volumes of teachings. HPB, it turns out, met the young Arhat DK on her first visit to Tibetan, then met him again later in Tibet just before he became a Master. |
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Re: HPB's Guides
Words of wisdom from Br. Andrew:
>John King was a thought-form, a tulpa, or what Thomas here at CR calls an egregoire, after Eliphas Levi I believe. >John King was one of the methods that HPB's Trans-Himalayan Mahatmas used to communicate with her (or heck, I dunno, maybe Masters Serapis, >Hilarion, et al) also used it. That is an interesting theory. I did a lot of reading on the subject years back. I think HPB says she never loved anyone more than John King. There maybe something in People from the Other World about John being Henry Morgan the sea pirate. Remember there was also a Katie King. John King was the most powerful spirit if I remember rightly.. One thing though- HPB never says that John King is an elemental. Best Regards, Br. Bruce |
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Bruce,
I'd recommend taking a look at the following references from Isis Unveiled in order to learn more about John & Katie King: Vol I: 73, 75, 492 on John King .... and pp. 48-49 (incorrectly cited as 46-47), 54 and 67 on Katie KingAlthough there may not be a clear statement that either `King' is a regular elemental, certain of the above references make it fairly clear that we are dealing with Spiritualistic phenomena ... and I'll try to find the statement that John King was a method the Masters used for communication with HPB, in my spare time. In the meantime, a few excerpts from the above references may help: No doubt, there are professed "conjurers" who can perform cleverer tricks than all the American and English "John Kings" together. (Isis Unveiled, Vol I: 73) The writer [of a long article in the London Spiritualist for July 14th, 1877 (?)] compares Ezekiel "lifted up" and taken into the "east gate of the Lord's house" (Ezekiel iii, 12-14) with the levitations of certain mediums, and the three Hebrew youths in the "burning fiery furnace," with other fireproof mediums; the John King "spirit-light" is assimilated with the "burning lamp" of Abraham ... etc.For your further edification, Bruce - and I have found at least one reference to the connection with HPB's Adepts, as I recalled - you might want to check out an article online here, by Marina Cesar Sisson,entitled `Helena Blavatsky and the Enigma of John King.' From this, I will quote the beginning:
Very little is known or understood about the personage John King in theosophical history. Most studies and biographies on the Theosophical Society (TS) and Helena Petrovna Blavatsky barely mention his name, as if he were a completely marginal character. The explanation for this fact is that John King is rather a controversial figure, resembling sometimes a playful elemental manipulated by HPB, others the spirit of a disincarnate pirate, or yet in other occasions he seems to be a member of the Hierarchy. Deciphering John King, showing his true identity and the important role he played is not an easy task. According to Spierenburg, "In the theosophical literature John King is an undigested lump. We must admit this." (Spierenburg, 168). In this articlewe shall examine John King, the personage, and show some aspects of his participation in the lives of Olcott and the dear Old Lady. 2. John King: He Is My Only Friend The lack of information about John King can be exemplified by the scarce mention made of him in Sylvia Cranston’s vast bibliographic work. In 648 pages, there is only one paragraph about John King: Hope this helps ... but I recommend reading the whole article. namaskar, andrew |
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One note further, by Tuitit Bey of the Br. of Luxor, will succinctly answer and address fully 99% of the caveats and demands for proof regarding HPB's Masters ... as often put forward here at CR (or elsewhere), and especially by a handful of the most outspoken of members (against even the possibility of the existence of said Masters - despite, of course, their total ignorance to the contrary):
"A mind that seeks the proofs of Wisdom and Knowledge in outward appearance as material proofs is unworthy of being let in unto the grand secrets of the "Book of Holy Sophia". One who denies the Spirit and questions him on the ground of its material clothing a priori will never be able to. Try." (HPB Speaks I, 2)But of course, nothing different has ever been said - and 130 years later, the requirements for such entry are greater, if anything ... but certainly no less. It might be added, that the small part we may all play, nevertheless ... is as invaluable as it ever was (!), and since the Theosophist, or Esotericist's work has never been about "saving souls," but has only been geared toward shining the Light, and treading the Way, there is certainly much more that we can do nowadays to this end - than ever before. Spiritualism, and the Spiritualists, have already long since played an all-important role in helping to bring to Humanity's awareness the direct testimony both of those who have experienced something of the hereafter and returned to tell about it, and also of those who - while occupying that hereafter in "real time" - have given eyewitness accounts, via mediums (or the psychically sensitive), for the greater benefit of all of Humanity. While some may continue to say, "We DO NOT KNOW what occurs following our bodily death," the Esotericist proclaims, "We do know," and can elaborate much of the proceedings in quite the same way we can account for the ordinary, daily procedures of one's visit to a hospital. The only difference, between the two accounts, is that the latter will often be confused by the bureacracy and the daily hustle & bustle of the busy doctors and nursing staff, while the former is where such chaos and near-madness are finally brought to an end ... and sense & sanity allowed, once again, to resume their proper place in the life of the dearly departed. Does Spiritualism continue, even unto the present day, to receive its Inspiration, as was originally the case, from the 5th Ray Chohan (Senior Master), Hilarion, among others? Most certainly it does. The disciples of this Master (Hilarion) can be witnessed working in the world today, some well-known and working upon the world stage, in the spotlight, as it were ... while others prefer to work behind the scenes, yet every bit as devotedly, pledged to the cause of helping ever so slightly to lift the veil - and show us something of the Mystery that Christ understood, when He said: "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" (I Corinthians 15:55) |
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Re: HPB's Guides
Br.Andrew speaks out:
(Spierenburg, 168). In this articlewe shall examine John King, the personage, and show some aspects of his participation in the lives of Olcott and the dear Old Lady. I do have the Spierenburg article. I ti on the TS History website. Here is a little tit bit from there: Quote:
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Perhaps of relevance would be a couple of excerpts from the Occult Diary (Light of the Sanctuary) of Geoffrey Hodson, the well-known 20th Century Theosophist, and conscious sibyl for various Masters and Devas (Archangels):
From 7 October 1941 Behind all womanhood exists the Eternal Woman, the one divine manifestation as femininity. At its origin, it is cosmic, being the half of all creation. The other half is the Eternal Man, and mysteriosly these are not two but one, for both emerge from a common source; they are expressions of a unity which combines and includes both. It is this basic fact of a unity within the One Source that is the root of attraction, whether chemical, magnetic, or of gender in organic life. For these temporarily separated twain-in-one are forever drawn back towards their primordial unity, and this attraction is continuous and compulsive. Thus, behind every individual woman there is the Eternal Woman. Within and through the feminine personality is made manifest the spirit of femininity, the archetypal woman. This is the highest in every woman. Perpetually this is seeking ever fuller, ever more radiant, ever more tender, more fragrant expression through the wondrous flower which is an individual woman. What are the essential qualities of this archetypal woman? They are sacrifice, tenderness, graciousness, divine radiance, heavenly fragrance, beauty and grace. They are wisdom, fathomless as a still dark pool of infinite depth, profound compassion and intimate concern for all living things, ministration, healing love. They are joyous radiant girlhood, graceful womanhood, creative, preserving, and transforming motherhood. In the holder of the divine Office of World Mother, a conscious union occurs between the archetypal woman fully manifest in the woman Adept and the cosmic principle of womanhood. This constitutes a descent, fiery, pentecostal, of the Eternal Woman into its own purified and exalted superhuman manifestation in time and space. The potentiality of this hypostatic union exists in every woman and is frequently foreshadowed throughout successive human lives as interior illuminations, wondrous yet indescribable in visions every beyond the possibility of communication to another. This is part of the mystery of womanhood, this the secret life of every woman, that on occasion she knows and is one with the Eternal Woman and has her mysterious life in that realm wherein She abides. Thus is revealed the yoga most appropriate to woman. Interiorly, it is union with the Eternal Woman and externally it is to make manifest that archetype in daily life. Mentally still, withdrawn from earthly life, she opens the calyx of her higher Self to the descent of the rays fo the Eternal Self as woman. Knowing the union she closes the petals of spiritual love upon the heavenly visitation and is one with the divine in silence, in seclusion, in mystery. From 20 May 1977 The totality of Archangels on this planet concerned with every process of Nature in which procreation, interior growth, birth, childhood, youth, and motherhood, including that in the animal and plant kingdoms in which some form of pollinization and subsequent developments occur, is under the general and also very real directive "Rulership" of the Holder of the Office of World Mother Who is, therefore, rightly entitled "Queen of the Angels." As far as my understanding and experience inform me, the Blessed Lady Mary, Mother of Jesus, is the present Holder of that Office. Supraplanetary Maha-Devis fulfil the same Office for groups of planets in a Solar System upon which those functions have begun to take place and have continued to do so. Such a being - Maha-Devi - is in relationship and collaboration with the Solar Logos, as is the planetary Queen of the Angels, World Mother, Our Lady, with the Lord of the World - in what might be called, if one may so presume, His femininity-functions, extremely delicate and refined as they are in every kingdom. This is also true, one presumes, of the Maha-Devi for the Solar System and relationship with, and the fulfilment of, Offices under the more Feminine Aspect of the Solar Logos. From 21 February 1967 The idea that a human being can evolve to and attain Adeptship in a female body and personality, is age-old and completely true. That certain of the supposed Goddesses - spouses of God - embodied the principles of divine Motherhood and ministered to mankind is founded upon such an occult possibility. Highly spiritual women with this mission before them are extremely rare in that they attain to that perfect pruity which involves a complete abnegation of self, or rather a total outgrowing of all the limitations imposed upon consciousness by the feeling of separation from others. To these virtues are added a transcendent and divine compassion, not only for their own sex, but for every sentient being which can and does suffer, and an intense longing and self-dedication to the reduction of cruelty and pain and every other form of human misery.These are merely a handful of excerpts, from about a dozen references I have in Geoffrey's Diary ... to Our Lady Mary, the Mother of the World. Geoffrey Hodson, it might be remembered, was a Priest in the Liberal Catholic Church, just as J.J. Wedgewood and Charles W. Leadbeater. |
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And additional word or two, from Geoffrey Hodson's Diary, will be helpful in clearing up the difference between the truth Brotherhood of Luxor, and that spurious, earthly organization called `the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor' (an unfortunate similarity, to say the least - for just LOOK at the confusion it has caused).
First off, a word about Geoffrey's own Master, from 1 February 1945: The Teacher Who came last September [30th] proved to be an Adept of the Egyptian Branch of the Great White Brotherhood [`White' in the spiritual sense, of purity only] - the Brotherhood of Luxor. He was Philo Judaeus, the Alexandrian sage (c.30BC - c.AD40, which means AD70 to AD140). [NB this correction in dates by Hodson, demonstrating clearly the problems in our dating scheme, all hinging on the FALSE dates currently maintained for the start of the Christian Era!!!] It is also noted that Master Polidorus Isurenus is the "Recorder of the Luxor Brotherhood" which corresponds to the Maha-Chohan's Office in the Inner Government of the World, and in reality the great Egyptian Adept is on the Staff of the Lord the Maha-Chohan. ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ In a letter to Geoffrey dated 13 February 1945, Tuesday (3:30AM), we read:
There is much more, in this letter, including word and instruction from the Master Morya, and discussion of the 2nd vs. the 1st Rays ... yet it might be noted that Geoffrey's interactions with, and instructions from, the Masters and Deva-Lords (Archangels) only increased as the years went by, his diary being filled with letters from more than four additional decades - some simply attributed to `An Adept,' others to a particular teacher, others yet unattributed. The last entries made are toward the close of 1982 and January of 1983, mostly from Master Morya - Who is the Head of all true Occult schools on the planet. Yet there are other entries, from Master KH, Master Polidorus Isurenus, Master Nylghara (Jupiter, Agastya, HPB's `Old Gentleman,' Narayan, etc. - the oldest or most Senior of all the Adepts) ... and perhaps another dozen or so simply labeled `An Adept,' plus one unique entry by `A Great Feminine Chohan.' At one point or another one can even find entries from Master Jesus, Master R. (Rakoczy), and during April-May of 1980 (and elsewhere if I recall correctly, such as 14 Oct. 1979), a communication directly from HPB. One entry in particular, of 1 December 1979 from The Master Tuitit Bey of the Brotherhood of Luxor, has just drawn my attention:
[Elsewhere the Master Morya explains in more detail how this is so, and how - occultly thus - the Hierarchy is spiritually protected from encroachment ... from the world of men.] A GOOD number of the entries in this Diary of Geoffery's, are directly concerned with his ongoing work for and with the Theosophical Society (and Movement) ... so anyone truly interested in the Inner History (from the perspective of the Adept-Master insprirers, as nearly as we may be able to grasp it, working via Their outer Representatives) of the TS, may wish to see about getting a copy of `Light of the Sanctuary.' The follow-up volume, also Adept-inspired (largely by Master P), is entitled `Illuminations of the Mystery Tradition,' and includes much teaching on the Ancient Egyptian, Greek, Chaldean and yet earlier aspects of the One Mystery Tradition. One entry further, which I have just come upon, simply must be shared:
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Still, "John King" probably fits more into the category of a tulpa, thought-form, "artificial" or elementary - a positive `egregoire' (as Eliphas Levi referred to them) ... although I think that in some cases John King was used as a blind for the Master M (Morya, or Maurya), possibly another of the Mahatmas, or even HPB's own abilities to produce various psychic phenomena - as at séances, before the Masters brought such experiments to a halt. And They did stop this (employing psychic phenomena to gain adherents), as it has been pointed out, because HPB would have soon had an idiot following, of a bunch of unthinking lemmings, demanding materializations and astral bell-ringing instead of working hard for the Society's First and most important Object: To form a nucleus of a Universal Brotherhood of Humanity without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour.This continues to be the TS's primary raison d'etre, with the other objects being of secondary importance: To encourage the study of comparative religion, philosophy and science. To investigate unexplained laws of Nature and the powers latent in man. |
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Peace Br. Andrew,
I used to listen to Geoffrey Hodson on the radio- which was very difficult because it was broadcast out of Sydney and I was in Melbourne! He spoke on radio 2GB, which was a theosophical radio station. Originally it was going to be named 2AB after Annie Besant but the Australian Broadcasting Commission had that. It became 2GB in honour of Annie Besant's previous name - Giordano Bruno! There is a man carrying on Hodson's work- a Dr. Geo in Melbourne- who is in contact with the nature beings. -Br.Bruce |
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Bruce and Andrew,
I didn't know there used to be a Theosophical radio station in Australia. I heard the San Diego California group had their own TV show, and those old video tapes used to be available for viewing on the Internet. |
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