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Old 10-26-2006, 11:33 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Did you look under the covers?

Where does "it" say you can see God everywhere? And what is "it"?

Quit looking with your eyes.
The topic? "how to see god everywhere and in everything" So this god is in war and in crime and in poverty and in pain and in suffering and in darkness? Quit looking with my eyes? I only trust my eyes... Nothing else.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:53 PM   #17 (permalink)
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How to see God everywhere? Through love, unthinking and unquestioning.
So if you don't think, and you don't ask questions.... You're somehow better off? Ignorance is bliss indeed.
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:12 PM   #18 (permalink)
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So if you don't think, and you don't ask questions.... You're somehow better off? Ignorance is bliss indeed.
Well, ignorance is bliss, but then so is knowledge.

How to explain my last post? Of course you think, and that will lead on to questions, but love is seperate from this.
We find ourselves in a situation, lets say for example, we are a person who we do not like. Our beliefs or our principals tell us that we should love that person, so we do, or at least we tell ourselves that we do. We may have shown love for our views or for ourselves, but we have not shown any for that person.

I hope this makes sense, but fear that it will not.
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:14 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I only trust my eyes... Nothing else.
1. Why do you trust your eyes?
2. Why do you trust nothing else?
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:18 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Well, ignorance is bliss, but then so is knowledge.

How to explain my last post? Of course you think, and that will lead on to questions, but love is seperate from this.
We find ourselves in a situation, lets say for example, we are a person who we do not like. Our beliefs or our principals tell us that we should love that person, so we do, or at least we tell ourselves that we do. We may have shown love for our views or for ourselves, but we have not shown any for that person.

I hope this makes sense, but fear that it will not.
Cavalier,

Thanks for the post, however it does indeed make sense but I don't see how god is responsible? From what you have learnt and been told you choose this way. I feel, it isn't like say a magical force that comes down and makes you decide this, your religious traits, values, norms faith whatever is telling you to do this. Not an almighty being from the sky. Sorry as well, I always feel as if my posts make 50% sense at the most.

If I see a person act out of love or kindness it is either that person has simply choosen to do that, or they are having a good day, or they want something in return..... But I don't see it as an act of god.

I trust my eyes becuase what I see is what is happening.... If I listen to my head or my heart then there could be trouble. My head is unbalanced haha... And my heart has nothing to say. basically like cooking, when you constantly keep picking up hot plates and such your feelings in your hands become numb and deadend to that feeling. I am numb and deadend from my conscience.. So what is left? My eyes.

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One more thing.. For example the bible, the people told of in this book apparently saw the miracles of their god all the time some heard his voice.... So why can I not see this? Sure if jehovah magically appeared and a voice boomed down "I am god!!!" I would take a note of it lol... But I see no true evidence to believe in such a being...
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Hey 17

In truth, I didn't quite understand your point until those last few words.
I whole-heartedly agree with what you said, but it isn't what I was talking
about. I meant that when have, or tap into (I'm not sure which, and am also not sure if it matters) that love, that unthinking, unquestioning love, we see God in all.
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Do you have this love?
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:34 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I trust my eyes becuase what I see is what is happening
How do you know?
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Sure if jehovah magically appeared and a voice boomed down "I am god!!!" I would take a note of it lol... But I see no true evidence to believe in such a being...
Me too.
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:38 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I know because I can see it... Example I know I am at work being lazy and slacking and typing on a religious forum. Next door Godzilla could be writting a shakespear play.... I don't believe it because I don't see it. If I saw it I would believe it. So when a book says; "there is this guy called jehovah and he made the world and he made you." I simply don't believe it because in my eyes... He HAS to proove himself to me, not me to him....

Why did you underline "such" ?
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Do you have this love?
Glimpses. It's fantastic.


Not right now though, I'm sitting here sweating my bollocks off because Taiwan is so humid, and I could happily go and butcher the neighbor child who's practicing the violin.
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haha that sounds delightful.
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I know because I can see it... Example I know I am at work being lazy and slacking and typing on a religious forum. Next door Godzilla could be writting a shakespear play.... I don't believe it because I don't see it. If I saw it I would believe it. So when a book says; "there is this guy called jehovah and he made the world and he made you." I simply don't believe it because in my eyes... He HAS to proove himself to me, not me to him....
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Why did you underline "such" ?
Because I don't believe that God has to take this form.
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:43 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Interesting we are quite different, yet seem to peacfully respect each others posts... Not really used to that. One more thing Cavalier, this amazing love you so describe, once you obtain this, you can see god in everything... As you have also said you have a few moments where you experience this, would that be with loved ones and family? Or with complete strangers... Also because, you do not fully experience this does that mean you cannot see god?
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haha that sounds delightful.
And that's the great thing. I'm a little worried this might sound pretentious but what the hell?
I can now see that in some ways that boy playing his fiddle oh so badly is actually a great thing, after writing that post telling you about it I started to laugh.
Maybe this is the voice you were talking about.
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haha maybe it was.
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