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Old 02-23-2005, 11:14 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Hope

For me hope is part of trust and trust gives confidence to the hope.
It is the journey that is important in preference to the destination.
One can have hopes and trust without expectation or attachment.
For me that is where trust and surrender to GOD comes in.
Trusting each moment is just perfect
Being where we are is perfect
Loving the moment is perfect
We are perfect in GODs eyes

It is hope and conviction that we will create a better world with no attachment or expectation of how that will happen but yet when we trust our inner being/soul we know what ever happens is meant to BE.

Just perfect

The joy is in the enJOYING the journey no matter the final destination. Truly living in the present the greatest gift from GOD which it is why it is called the present!

Dear Q

Beautiful

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Old 02-24-2005, 12:19 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Hope is in the face of a new born child, and in the parent who prays they get it right...
Amen.
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Old 02-24-2005, 05:17 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: Hope

Another late night musing: maybe hope is salvation.

Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:10 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: Hope

Hope is the face of beauty in a lady in the corn chandlers, buying fresh seed for her doves of peace.
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:28 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: Hope

Best we don't go there Lunamoth big smiles!

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Old 02-24-2005, 01:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Hope is the face of beauty in a lady in the corn chandlers, buying fresh seed for her doves of peace.
Beautiful Ciel, makes me want to be that lady. Thank you.
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:58 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Best we don't go there Lunamoth big smiles!

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So right SS! What could I have been thinking??? (It was late, for me anyway.) It's been a lovely thread, wouldn't want to spoil it.
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Old 02-24-2005, 03:08 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Dear Lunamoth

But it is a very profound quote leaving out the big S.

Do you have any other feelings to share?

Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

So if it is unseen it surely must be based on trust in GOD, in the unknowing knowing all IS well?

This wonderful message comes to mind.

"It is like you cannot see what is ahead of thee, but yet in your heart you know"

Going back to Romans.

8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of GOD. 28: And we know that all things work together for good to them that love GOD, to them who are called according to his purpose. 29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son. That he might be the first born among many breathen. 30: Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31: What shall we say to things? If GOD be for US, who can be against us?

This infers that destiny can be pre-determined for a special purpose which infers to me reincarnation what do you think? I also received insights on the first born last year which could make an interesting thread on its own.

Wonderful thread Lunamoth thank you for helping me to make this discovery, it is wonderful confirmation.

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Old 02-24-2005, 03:54 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Re: Hope

Hope is in the recognition of truth.
And the end of diversity.
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Old 02-24-2005, 04:59 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Namaste lunamoth,

thank you for the reply.

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I work on having hopes and dreams. I figure that if I don't have a destination in mind I won't ever get there. It's not always easy--I guess because the expectation part of the equation often seems unrealistic. Nevertheless.
indeed, you are correct. in our view, one of the things that can acutally hinder our spiritual progress along the path is to view it as something that we are achieving, or as we say, our expectations of what we "think" it should be like don't actually match up with our experience of it and this creates a certain type of tension within the being that can be difficult to overcome.

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I claim to be an average man of less than average ability. I have not the shadow of a doubt that any man or woman can achieve what I have, if he or she would make the same effort and cultivate the same hope and faith.
Mohandas Gandhi


Love that BrainyQuote!

cheers,
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that's just one of the reason why they called him "Mahatma"
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Old 02-24-2005, 06:00 PM   #26 (permalink)
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another wonderful quote from Gandhi

"My commitment is to truth not to consistency"

Excellent quote Ciel thank you for sharing.

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Old 02-24-2005, 06:56 PM   #27 (permalink)
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indeed, you are correct. in our view, one of the things that can acutally hinder our spiritual progress along the path is to view it as something that we are achieving, or as we say, our expectations of what we "think" it should be like don't actually match up with our experience of it and this creates a certain type of tension within the being that can be difficult to overcome.
Dear Vajradhara,

Yes, kind of ironic, isn't it ? Without a destination you wouldn't start out on a journey, but if you focus on the destination you'll miss it.

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Old 02-24-2005, 07:09 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Hi Sacredstar,

Well, I think your first instict is correct, better to not refer to the "S" word here because it has become so charged. Best for me to just say that I was talking about salvation in this life, not the next.

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Old 02-25-2005, 05:08 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Re: Hope

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Hope is the face of beauty in a lady in the corn chandlers, buying fresh seed for her doves of peace.
And Sacred Star, you responded by saying;
"Best we dont go there Lunamoth, big smiles."

Sacred Star, why?
Where is truth, when you speak of peace?

Lunarmoth, I believe your first response was the real you.
Hope is that we believe our own higher intuition.
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:52 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Best we don't go there Lunamoth big smiles!

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HONORIUS of Amiens...and other such thoughts. Very nice.

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