Hiding Behind Diseases

[greymare]

Im addicted to coffee. seriously, i get headaches, and really cranky if I havent had a jolt. but guess what , its not a disease.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by greymare

Im addicted to coffee. seriously, i get headaches, and really cranky if I havent had a jolt. but guess what , its not a disease.

Oh aye, I get headaches from coffee... But then again drinking on average 12 cups per day... What do you expect lol.... I only get headaches minor with that, but weed... I really get short and aggressive. So as I said in my previous post... Wil is wrong it is addictive. But, there is no excuse for my actions or behaviour...

[Francis king]

I agree wholeheartedly with you, Greymare... my brother, who is currently in rehab and actually doing the 12 steps is also of the same opinion...

[lunamoth]

Anything out of balance is dis-ease or dis-order. The more out of balance, the more disease. It's a spectrum. Addictions can be be mild and mere inconvienence or they can be destructive to the self and everyone around a person. Maybe the person in the pit did decide shovel-full by shovel-full to keep digging, but at some point they can't get out without help. And even then it's not always possible.

I think there are real physiological reasons why some people are more prone to fall into destructive addictions...it's not so cut and dried. And while we are all ultimately responsible for the choices we make, our role is not to judge but to act with compassion toward others.

2 c and sorry to be preachy but this is a topic close to me

[greymare]

yes, being a alcoholic is a terrible addiction. I am not downplaying the horrible affects of it. (or any other addictive behaviour). I know the REAL problems that come with it.
That is NOT my point.

for me to say it is a disease implies that it is an unconcious(?) event/bug etc that invaded a body. Its not, it is the result of us consciously putting something in our bodies (drugs/alcohol).
I wish I had a better vocabulary because Im not making myself clear even when I read it. LOL.
Compassion obviously for me is limited to those who need it. People who know me well, often think Im crazy because I will go out of my way to help people. Then there are the ones who wont get off their butts and help themselves, them I cant help. (I am hard, arent I )

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, greymare!

Originally Posted by greymare

for me to say it is a disease implies that it is an unconcious(?) event/bug etc that invaded a body. Its not, it is the result of us consciously putting something in our bodies (drugs/alcohol).
I wish I had a better vocabulary because Im not making myself clear even when I read it. LOL.
Compassion obviously for me is limited to those who need it. People who know me well, often think Im crazy because I will go out of my way to help people. Then there are the ones who wont get off their butts and help themselves, them I cant help. (I am hard, arent I )

You make perfect sense to me, once I caught on to what you were trying to say.

And I agree, for all that is worth.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Oh aye, I get headaches from coffee... But then again drinking on average 12 cups per day... What do you expect lol.... I only get headaches minor with that, but weed... I really get short and aggressive. So as I said in my previous post... Wil is wrong it is addictive. But, there is no excuse for my actions or behaviour...

17th,

The last time we talked about this you accused me of being an "online shrink"

But I still bet that I have smoked up more weed than you can imagine, starting back in the 70's. I know now what long term effects the drug had on me and what it was like when I finally put it down.
It took a month for me to start feeling sane again without the "insulation" that the weed gave me. I felt raw and exposed for a while until it finally left my system. One night about a month after I quit I noticed for the first time in what seemed a lifetime, my mind was so clear and sharp it was amazing!
When the fog finally lifts and you are experienceing life firsthand without the filters an amazing thing happens. But it's not for everyone.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by greymare

yes, being a alcoholic is a terrible addiction. I am not downplaying the horrible affects of it. (or any other addictive behaviour). I know the REAL problems that come with it.
That is NOT my point.

for me to say it is a disease implies that it is an unconcious(?) event/bug etc that invaded a body. Its not, it is the result of us consciously putting something in our bodies (drugs/alcohol).
I wish I had a better vocabulary because Im not making myself clear even when I read it. LOL.
Compassion obviously for me is limited to those who need it. People who know me well, often think Im crazy because I will go out of my way to help people. Then there are the ones who wont get off their butts and help themselves, them I cant help. (I am hard, arent I )

I agree with you. You can apply this to things like ADD and PMS. There are things you can do to deal with ADD and PMS, but it requires effort and mindfulness to deal with these things in a way that will avoid undesirable side effects.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

There are things you can do to deal with ADD and PMS, but it requires effort and mindfulness to deal with these things in a way that will avoid undesirable side effects.

Oh thanks sg, that's most helpful. I think I shall make this point the next time I am on the receiving end of PMS.

s.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Oh thanks sg, that's most helpful. I think I shall make this point the next time I am on the receiving end of PMS.

s.

[greymare]

good luck with that one, snoop.

[flowperson]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Uh Oh, Scandanavian fish slapper alert. Code red.

flow....

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Uh Oh, Scandanavian fish slapper alert. Code red.

flow....

Didn't even know that was a fish. Thought it was some kind of stick or umbrella made specially for whacking people.

[juantoo3]

Artist: Dick Van Dyke as Carratacus Potts
Song: Me Ol' Bam-Boo


All:
A gentleman's got a walking stick.
A seaman's got a gaff.
And the merry men of Robin Hood
They used a quarterstaff.
On the Spanish plains inside their canes
They hide their ruddy swords.
But we make do with an old bam-boo
And everyone applauds!
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - Hey!
Me ol' bam-boo, me ol' bam-boo
You'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo.
You can have me hat or me bum-ber-shoo
But you'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo.

Chorus:
When punting on the beautiful Thames

Caractacus:
You use a sturdy pole.

Chorus:
To protect their fair complexion

Caractacus:
Ladies use a parasol.

Chorus:
It's useful in the underbrush

Caractacus:
To have a hefty spear.

Chorus:
Right!

All:
But what we do with an old bam-boo
Makes everybody cheer!
1 - 2 - 3 - HO!
Me ol' bam-boo, me ol' bam-boo
You'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo
You can have me hat or me bum-ber-shoo
But you'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo
'Ere we go, mate . . .

Caractacus:
A flyer in an air-e-o-plane

Chorus:
He steers it with a stick

Caractacus:
He does?

Caractacus:
A collier in the pits o' Wales

Chorus:
He leans upon his pick

Caractacus:
That's right!

All:
Now every wheel of an automobile
Revolves around a shaft (HEY!)
But what we do with an old bam-boo
Makes every one go daft.
And 1 - 2
Me ol' bam-boo, me ol' bam-boo
You'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo.
You can have me hat or me bum-ber-shoo
But you'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo.
(Dance break)
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - HEY!
And a 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - and a 5 and a 6 and a 7 HO!
Me ol' bam-boo, me ol' bam-boo
You'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo.
You can have me hat or me bum-ber-shoo
But you'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo.
You'd better never bother with me ol' bam-boo!

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Uh Oh, Scandanavian fish slapper alert. Code red.

flow....

Oh sh1t. Oh sh1t. Oh sh1t.
Oh sh1t. Oh sh1t. Oh sh1t.
Oh sh1t. Oh/ .................................................. .........