Hello, welcome

[Postmaster]

Hello I’m new here, I came from www.Platinax.co.uk thanks to Brian’s Signature so thought I would sign up.

Here’s my philosophy. The Earth is a perfect balance. You can look at it in two ways, there are Plants that actually want you to eat them. As you know Crap is a good fertilizer, so when we eat lets say an apple from a tree, the tree still lives but the product it gives you to eat contains seeds that will pass through our systems and increase the chances of an other tree growing because its also dumped in our fertilizer (crap). But now look at the other end of life, where things don't work so happily, where we have an animal like the lion, that can only survive if it consumes an other life that even loses its chance the reproduce again. In that sense life is consuming itself. But as it seems eating meat is more potent way making you stronger, after all, it is said that humans are so intelligent because they consumed meat in the first place and the most successful creators alive are meat eaters. The moral of that is exactly like the myth of the vampire, the vampire in order to survive it needs to consume more blood and gains his strength and power from it.

[alexa]

Hello Postmaster and welcome to CR !

Hmm. What about the mother nature ? Hurricanes and earthquakes are a part of that balance ? I'm not sure Plants want to be eaten. An herbivore needs them to survive. And a carnivore needs an herbivore to survive. Humans, on the other hand may be vegetarian or carnivore, depending on their health or personal choice. We are all part of a cycle in an ecosystem. Is this what you mean by a perfect balance ?

What about our planet system or the entire Universe ?

[Postmaster]

Some plants actually want us to eat part of them i.e. an orange, apple and banana. We do them a favor and they do us one. When animals eat these very fruits they increase the plants chance of reproducing when we poo the seeds out. It’s actually been proven. That’s how the earth should be living in perfect harmony. However meat eaters gain strength from other life thats why there top, a bit like the war in Iraq. Its just a philosophy.

[alexa]

That's kinda tough to compare meat eaters with the war in Irak, even in philosophy.

Regarding the will of a plant, well, scientists should demonstrate first that a plant has a consciousness and by consequence the ability to decide what it wants. I suppose you mean that plants need the others from thier ecosystem for reproduction (as you said later). In this case, I agree and I am more than happy to eat their fruits, especially the good one.

[Postmaster]

Anyway my point is the complex societies and economic systems in the west means that if fuel (oil) goes up in price, which it has due to the world demand increasing, then you would see a catastrophe economically, so they invaded Iraq, to survive, just like the vampire that drinks blood. The needed to ease trade of Iraqi oil and the cost of the invasion is all being paid back from the tax money generated by the "re-building" of Iraq using the oil as a source of payment when it is sold and the Iraqi people didn't have a say because they are occupied.

[Vajradhara]

Salaam Postmaster,


why not just pump the oil from the Caspian basin areas? there is a whole lot more of it and the nations in those areas are friendly with America and Russia.

[Postmaster]

Why not? Why not invade other countries with evil dictators? You can't see the Irony? Iraqis are fighting with US military equipment.

[Vajradhara]

Namaste postmaster,

thank you for the post.

was this in response to my question to you?

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Why not?

interesting reply. i'll answer yours if you'll answer mine

Why not invade other countries with evil dictators?

because intersubjective evidence cannot be provided to establish that such a thing as "evil" exists. ergo, there are no evil dictators. there are dictators who are ethically and morally bankrupt, to be sure, probably they all are to greater or lesser degrees.

You can't see the Irony? Iraqis are fighting with US military equipment.

sorry.. i find nothing funny about war or death.

[I, Brian]

Hi Postmaster, and welcome to CR.

If you don't mind my asking, seeing as we're on this forum, as you are Greek does that mean you are Orthodox Christian?

[Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine]

Zdrastvuitsye, hola, shalom, salaam, Dia dhuit, namastar ji, hej, konbanwa, squeak, meow, :wave: Postmaster

Please excuse my interrupting your political discussion, but could you move it to the Politics forum? My sincerest apologies to the Senior Moderators, but I feel that there would be a much broader discussion over there since more people visit there. Thank you.

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

[I, Brian]

Good call, Phyllis.

[Postmaster]

In regards to Brian’s question yes I’m a Greek orthodox. I’m part of a religion that worships saints even though are religion states we shall not worship anyone else but God. You see this is one of the reasons the Catholics and Orthodox split. I suppose the Greeks just couldn’t resist to let go of there Multi God worship from the ancient times and came to a compromise by Idolizing there holy saints. Regardless of what religion people reach there is one universal rule to religion and that’s putting your faith in something which is immeasurable and most for good.

sorry.. I find nothing funny about war or death.

I'm glad you don’t see it funny, but can you see the irony? And even more so, has this war caused more hate, more death and more misery then if the west never stepped in, who are they to judge the Iraqis? Why are Iraqis fighting to the death? They don't want them, none of them do. All this is for profit, profit for you by the expense of the tax payer, making you and me guilty, we live in a world where people seem to think is perfect and that politicians are Gods children, I'm sorry but this is not the case, evidence has it George Bush had business affairs with the Bin laden family, why don't you ask Michael Moore. Evidence has it the CIA backed Sadam to power (Bush’s dad takes briefings from the CIA till this day was head of the CIA), if science is telling you the war is wrong, just imagine what your heart should be screaming! Ignorance is not your fault. Let’s put you in a war zone! Regardless of who did what to who, why should innocent civilians pay the price and children’s blood staining the streets of Iraq? Why are people playing God?

[Postmaster]

Who cares about the war now? We have better things to think about like the Tsunami.. Let’s give a big amount of money to Asia. The perfect PR campaign to people who think America and Britain is nasty.. Please, please, please, enough of the poo. Governments in the west have won the people back now. Back to square one

[alexa]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

I’m part of a religion that worships saints even though are religion states we shall not worship anyone else but God. You see this is one of the reasons the Catholics and Orthodox split. I suppose the Greeks just couldn’t resist to let go of there Multi God worship from the ancient times and came to a compromise by Idolizing there holy saints.

It's more about prayer and moral guidence in ortodox tradition, than to a nostalgia of "multi God worship". And the fact that, by tradition, the Ortodox have been reluctant to involve church authority in a matter of faith with to much precision and detail.

Maybe, we will have the occasion to talk one day the split between Catholics and Ortodoxs in the Christian section.

As we are presently in the Introduction board, I'll officially welcome you to CR.

[Postmaster]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=worship

1. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
2. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
3. Ardent devotion; adoration.

Saints didn't die for this honor. I'm not saying it's the same as Multi-god worship but there certainly is something in Greeks blood which won't let go of Multi worship and this is evident from the honor they give to the saints. I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying its a contradiction but isn't religion all about contradiction? I also pray to our saints and our God.