Hell is a Hoax

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Azure24

No where in the Bible is Hell truly mentioned, there is not such a place and noone is going to go there. Here is proof:

1 Corinthians 15:22 (New International Version)

22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 (New International Version)

10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

* Note i have singled out the most important parts.

You keep right on believing that and I will keep right on praying the Holy Spirit opens your eyes.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by mee

the problem about hellfire is that it is a lie , and it makes God out to be evil.


and i am after truth not lies.

Then pick up the Bible Mee and forget the organization.

[Dor]

Ok can any of you explain a few quotes.

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut if off; it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43.

"Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" Matthew 25:41

OK is there a real place to go and is the fire eternal or did Jesus Lie?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Dor

OK is there a real place to go and is the fire eternal or did Jesus Lie?

Namaste Dor,

It doesn't appear to be either/or, cut and dry.

A. Jesus was known to speak in allegory and parables.

B. The words were written down decades after he said them and passed down word of mouth (hence the differences between the gospels)

C. The writers and interpreters of the various versions and rewrites embellish according to their beliefs (ie some soften the meaning and others enhance)

but you know all that.

[Azure24]

Originally Posted by Dor

You keep right on believing that.....

You keep right on believing that? THAT is what is said in the Bible and if the Bible is lying........

If someone is born into the world isolated from everyone else, they were told that everyone was evil and eveyone deserved to die. They would later go on to kill and murder countless amounts of people without meeting someone who would show them the real world? Would they go the Hell and suffer for enternity? No one in the whole of human existence would ever deserve this, particularly from a all loving God.

Those that sin are only those ignorant and blind from the truth. (which to a certain extent is all of us).

I have given you all (those that think there is a Hell) quotes in the Bible to prove my statement i thinks it's time you showed me yours....

Oh, and remember the New Testament is also called the book of GOOD NEWS (thats for everyone by the way).

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Azure24

Oh, and remember the New Testament is also called the book of GOOD NEWS (thats for everyone by the way).

Yep and do you find it just a tad funny that hell is mentioned more times than heaven. You do not understand the GOOD NEWS at all do you?

[Azure24]

Originally Posted by Dor

......hell is mentioned more times than heaven.....

Is that so? Prove it (I bet you can't).

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by Dor

Ok can any of you explain a few quotes.

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut if off; it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43.

"Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" Matthew 25:41

OK is there a real place to go and is the fire eternal or did Jesus Lie?

We are either slaves to sin [suffering - Hell], or we are slaves to Christ. We can either exist in a state of suffering, or we take part in the "heavenly kingdom" through Christ.

We must completely surrender [to] Christ in order to escape the cycles of sin, and suffering. We are cursed until we surrender to Him.

Our bodies, our, minds, our spirit must be in complete harmony with God's will, or we will continue forever, in the cycle of sin, and suffering, which is the hell spoke of in scripture.

To put it simply, we must die to self, and live to Christ through His Spirit. [Love]

A literal Hell does not exist, but the hell that does exist is beneficial, as we learn from the suffering we endure. What do you think brought you to Christ? Was it that you were already happy, and joyful, and loving, or because you suffered in life, and realized your need for salvation?

Love,

James

[Dor]

Azure.
Does Jesus speak the truth?
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Well he said there was everlasting fire.
Matt 18:8If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire.
Matt 25:41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

and Eternal condemnation.
Mark 3:29but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"

And weeping and gnashing of teeth; outer darkness
Matt 8:12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 22:13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 25:30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

A place of torment.
Luke 16:28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'

And everlasting punishment.
Matt 25:46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

If there are joys and beauty of heaven then there must be horror and torment of hell since they are from the same book.
Ok if you want to not believe in Hell then why believe in Christ? Without hell what was the purpose of the gospel, Calvary, a saviour *what was he saving us from*?

There are consequences to everything in the world always has been and always will be.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Azure24

Is that so? Prove it (I bet you can't).

No and I am not going to try because I am sure he actually used the word heaven more often and to really understand Jesus on heaven and hell you would have to read each and every verse in its context

Point is the bible talks about things without actually using the word at times.

And it is a moot point because If Jesus had only spoke of hell once that would enough to establish its reality and the fearfulness of it.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by Dor

Azure.
Does Jesus speak the truth?
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Well he said there was everlasting fire.
Matt 18:8If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire.
Matt 25:41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

and Eternal condemnation.
Mark 3:29but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"

And weeping and gnashing of teeth; outer darkness
Matt 8:12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 22:13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 25:30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

A place of torment.
Luke 16:28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'

And everlasting punishment.
Matt 25:46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

If there are joys and beauty of heaven then there must be horror and torment of hell since they are from the same book.
Ok if you want to not believe in Hell then why believe in Christ? Without hell what was the purpose of the gospel, Calvary, a saviour *what was he saving us from*?

There are consequences to everything in the world always has been and always will be.

Do you know how you get impurities out of metal? Through fire!! So it is with Christ - Matthew 3:11 "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Hell is our reality on earth [We suffer] BUT, Christ came to save us; He washes our impurities through His Spirit, and through the furnace that is life.

[Cycles of sin, and suffering]

Love,

James

[Azure24]

The eternal fire your talking about is not Hell. The enternal fire is the lake of eternal fire mentioned in revelation. I also told you about the word 'everlasting' was not the original word.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Do you know how you get impurities out of metal? Through fire!! So it is with Christ - Matthew 3:11 "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Hell is our reality on earth [We suffer] BUT, Christ came to save us; He washes our impurities through His Spirit, and through the furnace that is life.

[Cycles of sin, and suffering]

Love,

James

Universalism is a nice easy feel good choice unfortunately it is *cover your ears Wil* heretical.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Azure24

The eternal fire your talking about is not Hell. The enternal fire is the lake of eternal fire mentioned in revelation. I also told you about the word 'everlasting' was not the original word.

Really cause you say so?

Strong's Number: 166 Browse Lexicon Original WordWord Origin aijwvnioßfrom (165) Transliterated WordTDNT Entry Aionios1:208,31 Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech ahee-o'-nee-os Adjective Definition

2. without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
3. without beginning
4. without end, never to cease, everlasting

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by Dor

Universalism is a nice easy feel good choice unfortunately it is *cover your ears Wil* heretical.

Will everyone believe, and live through Christ? If not, then Universalism does not apply.

Love,

James