Hell is a Hoax

[Bruce Michael]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

He "ministered" to the entities there, announcing His victory. (He literally walked into the enemy's camp, released all prisoners and lectured the captors, that there was a new General on station, and the war was lost...to them). All those waiting in faith, were liberated.

Finally, He literally walked out of death's grip, like it was smoke on the water (all bluster and pomp, no fire, no damage).

All who had been in captivity from what had seemed since world was new were given sweet release. For three days and three nights those who were captive were captive no more - sublime and holy, miraculous release!



Although unseen, there was much that was done - all was accomplished, in those hours of Crucifixion by our Saviour and Lord, the Christ..


In the days to come when all humanity places Him first and above all, we may go joyously through the gates ahead: the gates of gold.

[mee]

The dogma of eternal torment is based on the immortal-soul theory.

However, the Bible clearly states: "The soul that is sinning—it itself will die." (Ezekiel 18:4, 20; see also Acts 3:23.)

Proclaimers of hellfire have made the true God, Jehovah, appear to be a fiend—a cruel monster—instead of what he is: a God of love, "merciful and gracious . . . and abundant in loving-kindness."—Exodus 34:6.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

The dogma of eternal torment is based on the immortal-soul theory.

However, the Bible clearly states: "The soul that is sinning—it itself will die." (Ezekiel 18:4, 20; see also Acts 3:23.)

Proclaimers of hellfire have made the true God, Jehovah, appear to be a fiend—a cruel monster—instead of what he is: a God of love, "merciful and gracious . . . and abundant in loving-kindness."—Exodus 34:6.

What a load! The True God leveled Jericho, leveled Sodom and Ghommora, allowed for the scattering of the tribes of Israel to the four corners of the earth, allowed for the extermination of 6,000,000 Jews and 48,000,000 Russians in WWII, allowed man to create hell on earth. What makes you think He would not allow for hellfire? It is said, by Jesus, that all shall perish who are not in the book of life, and that death is by hellfire, Mee. It is said by Jesus, there will be those to whom He declares "I know you not", and they will be cast out.

I just figured out what you are toughting...it is a "feel good" faith. Well life isn't all "feel good" and neither is God. Jehovah, is also a vengeful God, in case you forgot... slow to anger, and slow to cool.

[BlaznFattyz]

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

[mee]

[quote=Quahom1;137152]It is said, by Jesus, that all shall perish who are not in the book of life, and that death is by hellfire, Mee. It is said by Jesus, there will be those to whom He declares "I know you not", and they will be cast out.

quote]everlasting destruction is not litral hellfire , and understanding what Jesus REALLY meant is the thing to do .

[mee]

[quote=Quahom1;137152] Well life isn't all "feel good"quote]

very true ,thats because the whole world is in the power of the wicked one ....1 JOHN 5;19 many bad things happen in this world .


but it is good to know from the bible that the wicked one (satan the devil) will shortly be put out of the way for a 1000 years, and then he will no longer be able to influence anyone .

and then Gods kingdom will rule without his influence Daniel 2;44

[mee]

Yes Hell is a Hoax, and many have got to believe a hoax.

[Bruce Michael]

Is Paul speaking to Spirit-begotten believers in Romans 8? Does he say in verse 11 that the Spirit would “make your mortal bodies alive?”


Phillips: I said that our nature is "dead" in the presence of Christ, and so it is, because of its sin. Nevertheless once the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead lives within you he will, by that same Spirit, bring to your whole being new strength and vitality. (Phillips: Touchstone)
Wuest: And assuming that the Spirit of the One who raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you, He who raised from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal bodies through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. (Erdmans)
Young's Literal: and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you.

[Azure24]

No one goes to Heaven when they die also (to the sense most believe). The dead will re-awaken for God's judgement at the appointed time. It says this clearly.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Azure24

No one goes to Heaven when they die also (to the sense most believe). The dead will re-awaken for God's judgement at the appointed time. It says this clearly.

A little flock will be going to heaven , but they have to die first, when they are resurrected they will be resurrected with a spirit body so they can live in heaven the same way that Jesus has a spirit body to live in heaven , and there will be 144,000 of them .

but for the most of mankind it will be the future earthly resurrection . JOHN 5;28-29


Jesus did say that he would have OTHER SHEEP not of the little flock fold John 10; 16. those other sheep are made up of those who have died and the great crowd that are spoken of in revelation 7;9-10 if any of the great crowd die before the GREAT DAY OF JEHOVAH then they will also be resurrected on the earth

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bruce Michael

Is Paul speaking to Spirit-begotten believers in Romans 8? Does he say in verse 11 that the Spirit would “make your mortal bodies alive?”


Phillips: I said that our nature is "dead" in the presence of Christ, and so it is, because of its sin. Nevertheless once the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead lives within you he will, by that same Spirit, bring to your whole being new strength and vitality. (Phillips: Touchstone)
Wuest: And assuming that the Spirit of the One who raised up Jesus out from among the dead is in residence in you, He who raised from among the dead Christ Jesus, will also make alive your mortal bodies through the agency of the Spirit who is resident in you. (Erdmans)
Young's Literal: and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you.

yes he is speaking to the ones that will have a heavenly reward .and there are 144,000 of them and they will rule with Jesus in the heavenly kingdom. and Gods spirit is with them . and as luke 12;32 says they are a little flock

[Azure24]

Originally Posted by mee

A little flock will be going to heaven , but they have to die first, when they are resurrected they will be resurrected with a spirit body so they can live in heaven the same way that Jesus has a spirit body to live in heaven , and there will be 144,000 of them .

Yeah? And can you quote that?

Jesus will rule on EARTH!

"You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the EARTH." (Revelation 5:10)

Am I wrong?

This however is NOT for eternity!

[24]"Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. [25]For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. [26]The last enemy to be destroyed is death". (Corinthians 15: 24-26)

we continue to live because God has given us not eternal life, but rather IMMORTALITY (which means 'death-less-ness').

"For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality". (Corinthians 15:53)

Read carefully and you will understand...

[Azure24]

Originally Posted by mee

...they will rule with Jesus in the heavenly kingdom. and Gods spirit is with them...

Like I said above quote it...

[Bruce Michael]

Originally Posted by noctuary

I get that. Just trying to explain that to me I figure hell would be a place away from God.

It is not possible to find a place away from God, for it is in Him that we "live move and have our being".


Immanence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tzimtzum in the Kabbalistic theory



In Jewish Mysticism, Tzimtzum Hebrew: "contraction" or "constriction") refers to the notion in the Kabbalistic theory of creation that God "contracted" his infinite essence in order to allow for a "conceptual space" in which a finite, independent world could exist. The concept of Tzimtzum contains a built-in paradox, as it requires that God be simultaneously transcendent and immanent:

* On the one hand, if the "Infinite" did not restrict itself, then nothing could exist — everything would be ?
* On the other hand, God continuously maintains the existence of, and is thus not absent from, the created universe. "The Divine life-force which brings all creatures into existence must constantly be present within them ... were this life-force to forsake any created being for even one brief moment, it would revert to a state of utter nothingness, as before the creation ...".

[Pathless]

I find it interesting that Hel or Hela (and other variations) is the name of the Norse goddess of the underworld. Her realm is described in Barbara Walker's The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets as "a uterine shrine or sacred cave of rebirth."

I think the christian concept of hell is a much maligned degradation of the state between death and rebirth. Instead of death being a gateway to transformation, christianity and other abrahamic religions have truncated it to the end of the life process, with a strange and stagnant afterworld awaiting the deceased in the form of either heaven or hell. Either you're stuck, bored on a cloud with a bunch of repressive puritans, or you are tortured by darkness and fire.

Yet there are many myths, not only the Norse, that have a dark or fiery place inside the earth where souls go to rest, frolic, and be reborn after death.