He is Risen!

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I think I know why... because the feeling of adoration is so similar to the feeling of being "in love" and Jesus being a male... it would be harder for a male to be ok with it.. and just go with it.. you know? Am I right Q?

You think it's a male/female thing? I think it's what you are surrounded with. "Just going with it" when your peers aren't makes it very difficult.

Men don't have a problem loving their father. (btw: It's nice to see you.)

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by greymare

i tried real hard to follow these posts and i have read and reread them over and over. and i still cannot for the life of me, work out what you two were arguing over??? btw.......... how did enoch adnd elijah die but not physically die??? where do i find these stories and where do i find an explanation??

Deuterotomy and the like. Enoch walked with God for 300 of his 342? years and was taken away. In fact, Enoch lived only 1/3rd of the life span of a man at the time. He was very young.

Elijah (the prophet) was taken and witnessed by Elisha, his "protigee". Neither physically died, but were instead taken whole into heaven...why? I don't know.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

why? I don't know.

He liked them.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Neither physically died, but were instead taken whole into heaven...why? I don't know.

Do not know but I have a very strong feeling that most of the world will see them again.

Of course I will have to miss that sight.

[wil]

Sitting at a seder seeing the place setting and the empty chair for Elijah. At the prescribed time in the ceremony the kids get up and open the door to let him in. It is quite nice.

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by pattimax

You think it's a male/female thing? I think it's what you are surrounded with. "Just going with it" when your peers aren't makes it very difficult.

Men don't have a problem loving their father. (btw: It's nice to see you.)

It probably does have something to do with what you're surrounded with. But I can understand the difficulty. Most men I know don't have a problem relating to the Father God. They love their own father, as you say, so they understand loving the Father as well.

Jesus isn't the Father though. And He's like our brother, but in mainstream doctrine, not just a brother either. He's more than a brother.

The Bible has imagery of the church as His Bride. This is pretty easy for most women, given their social conditioning, to embrace. The traditional way of thinking of the husband as the protector and leader of the wife makes it relatively easy for a woman to replace a physical husband with Christ. Men aren't conditioned to think of others as being in that role; they are conditioned to think of themselves as being the protector and leader. So the whole imagery of men being the Bride of Christ is a understandably kind of hard to get one's head around.

Maybe it'd be easier for men to focus on imagery of Christ as King? With one relating in a way that one loves a good leader (loyalty, duty, honor, etc.)? Just a guess...

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

The Bible has imagery of the church as His Bride. This is pretty easy for most women, given their social conditioning, to embrace. The traditional way of thinking of the husband as the protector and leader of the wife makes it relatively easy for a woman to replace a physical husband with Christ. Men aren't conditioned to think of others as being in that role; they are conditioned to think of themselves as being the protector and leader. So the whole imagery of men being the Bride of Christ is a understandably kind of hard to get one's head around.

Maybe it'd be easier for men to focus on imagery of Christ as King? With one relating in a way that one loves a good leader (loyalty, duty, honor, etc.)? Just a guess...

Good point. Men are conditioned differently. Knowing and loving Christ is following, and thinking of yourself as the bride of Christ is not second nature to a man.

My thinking was it is more difficult to stay focused on the truth when you are surrounded with other information.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

It probably does have something to do with what you're surrounded with. But I can understand the difficulty. Most men I know don't have a problem relating to the Father God. They love their own father, as you say, so they understand loving the Father as well.

Jesus isn't the Father though. And He's like our brother, but in mainstream doctrine, not just a brother either. He's more than a brother.

The Bible has imagery of the church as His Bride. This is pretty easy for most women, given their social conditioning, to embrace. The traditional way of thinking of the husband as the protector and leader of the wife makes it relatively easy for a woman to replace a physical husband with Christ. Men aren't conditioned to think of others as being in that role; they are conditioned to think of themselves as being the protector and leader. So the whole imagery of men being the Bride of Christ is a understandably kind of hard to get one's head around.

Maybe it'd be easier for men to focus on imagery of Christ as King? With one relating in a way that one loves a good leader (loyalty, duty, honor, etc.)? Just a guess...

lol thanks Path thats what I was trying to say but didnt know how to get the point across without sounding sexist? lol the feeling I feel when Im worshipping Jesus is so close to the being in love feeling... but more...

the anticipation for His return is like waiting to see your love come home from work... but more...

It is totally like the Song of Solomon and how the Shulamite maid is towards her lover.

I just think a guy would have some issues drawing that close to Jesus if that was the feeling involved. The intimacy with another "Male" even though Jesus is more...

I like the King idea .. it brings to mind King Arthurs court.. the Knights of the Round Table were completely devoted.. that makes it easier for me to imagine someone manly like Q (just an example) relating to Jesus.

I picture myself more like Mary as opposed to Martha.. I would be at His feet enraptured in Him and His teaching unable to think on anything else or to do anything else.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I just think a guy would have some issues drawing that close to Jesus if that was the feeling involved. The intimacy with another "Male" even though Jesus is more...

I like the King idea .. it brings to mind King Arthurs court.. the Knights of the Round Table were completely devoted.. that makes it easier for me to imagine someone manly like Q (just an example) relating to Jesus.

hehe hmmmm....I got no issues. Would I give my elder brother and wayshower a great big hug? You betcha. Can I lean on his shoulder and enjoy the comfort? Yup. Do I wait in anticipatiojn like a bride about to be married? uh huh. Have I sat in the lap of the father snugglin up to his bosum happy as clam? sure.