Has CR changed you?

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Bandit

Or you could just come over & we can make a breakfast together as long as there is no discussion about religion or defining a God or gods

Sorry to butt in...if that could be almond croissants and strong black coffee, I don't even need to talk.

s.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Sorry to butt in...if that could be almond croissants and strong black coffee, I don't even need to talk.

s.

Ok. Then go shoot off some mortars after the croissants but we need both almond ones & chocolate ones. BTW that monty python skit is exactly what it is & is very funny. It would be good with the door knocking & slamming in surround sound.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Bandit

Ok. Then go shoot off some mortars after the croissants but we need both almond ones & chocolate ones. BTW that monty python skit is exactly what it is & is very funny. It would be good with the door knocking & slamming in surround sound.

Glad you liked the sketch.

I may also get some pecan nut swirls....


s.

[Dor]

Has CR changed me?
Well yes in some ways it has. It has surely shown me the "tolerant" crowd is not quite as tolerant as I had always believed.

Bandit, if you ever decide to engage in dialog again let me know. Some of our old dialogs are the main things that make me think about CR.

[cyberpi]

Interesting perspective Bandit:

Someone was angry with me once because I told him he should confess his crimes to the people he committed them against. He exclaimed to me that I was wrong to be defining God to him. My reply was, "You have been telling me who you think God is." He looked confused. He said he follows a different God. So I asked him if he would place greater faith and trust in a person who confessed a crime to him. I asked him further if he liked it when others confessed their sins to him. His answer was yes and yes. Having the answer I said, "I agree and thank you for defining God."

A person might see what is Good in others, but does not see how they have unequally tried to exempt themselves from the same standard. So it looks to me like a hangup to denounce those who define God for the sake of defining God. While it is unknown whether the definition is a true witness, applied logic, or a total fabrication, it is always food for thought. Jesus and every prophet would be found as criminals if defining God were illegal. Realize it is never the exchange of a fully defined God, but an exchange of what a person has seen of God, or as the Holy Good behavior.

From another viewpoint... I personally do not mind it if others converse about me. Does anyone here? So then why should God mind it if others converse about him?

While there is surely a bit of rumor and gossip and fiction in any exchange, I submit that there is always a very large fact in it. For example while the subject itself may be total fiction, it is a total fact that someone believes it. That fact alone is something real and can be worked with. But if exchanging viewpoints of who or what God is were like death to my ears, then I am already dead to hearing others... both the fiction and the fact. Would you agree Bandit?

[greymare]

has cr changed me............. no but its helped me grow and understand

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Dor

Has CR changed me?
Well yes in some ways it has. It has surely shown me the "tolerant" crowd is not quite as tolerant as I had always believed.

Bandit, if you ever decide to engage in dialog again let me know. Some of our old dialogs are the main things that make me think about CR.

Hi Dor. It was fun in the beginning wasn't it. People change, times change, we get older & hopefully wiser.
You know nothing stays the same but we did have some good ones

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Interesting perspective Bandit:

Someone was angry with me once because I told him he should confess his crimes to the people he committed them against. He exclaimed to me that I was wrong to be defining God to him. My reply was, "You have been telling me who you think God is." He looked confused. He said he follows a different God. So I asked him if he would place greater faith and trust in a person who confessed a crime to him. I asked him further if he liked it when others confessed their sins to him. His answer was yes and yes. Having the answer I said, "I agree and thank you for defining God."

A person might see what is Good in others, but does not see how they have unequally tried to exempt themselves from the same standard. So it looks to me like a hangup to denounce those who define God for the sake of defining God. While it is unknown whether the definition is a true witness, applied logic, or a total fabrication, it is always food for thought. Jesus and every prophet would be found as criminals if defining God were illegal. Realize it is never the exchange of a fully defined God, but an exchange of what a person has seen of God, or as the Holy Good behavior.

From another viewpoint... I personally do not mind it if others converse about me. Does anyone here? So then why should God mind it if others converse about him?

While there is surely a bit of rumor and gossip and fiction in any exchange, I submit that there is always a very large fact in it. For example while the subject itself may be total fiction, it is a total fact that someone believes it. That fact alone is something real and can be worked with. But if exchanging viewpoints of who or what God is were like death to my ears, then I am already dead to hearing others... both the fiction and the fact. Would you agree Bandit?

I do not agree or disagree because I do not give 2 cents either way. Do I want to hear how you define your god? maybe & maybe not depending on my mood but most likely your perceptions if from traditional POV- I will turn it off.

Wil asked a question (Has CR changed you?) and I answered it according to myself, not according to it changing you or someone else.

[mee]

has CR changed you? NO i am still mee

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

I wonder how many Puget Sound folks we have... I knew about you, and I want to say Pathless is from these parts...

I'm not from Puget Sound, but I've been there during a few stints in the Navy. Bremerton, specifically. But I really though it was beautiful up there, much greener than the more accustomed San Diego area, where I spend most of my naval career. And yes, the people are more friendlier than SoCal. I'd wouldn't mind living there, if not for the rain.

[Dondi]

For me, I think I was already in the process of a huge change in my spiritual orientation. My perspective of other religions was already becoming more and more tolerant in that I began to see that God is greater than the fundamentalist paradigm I've been so accustomed to all my life. I could no longer see condemnation in someone sincerely seeking God or the truth in another religion.

That shift is the reason I came here. CR has become a catalyst of ideas that in many ways has confirmed what I've suspected. I've certainly learned a lot from everyone here and have become far less dogmatic about my beliefs. As I peruse these threads, I am often surprised to find and learn new insights and try to understand other's POV before making any evaluations or counterpoints in these discussions. I'm more accepting, so I guess the biggest change is that I've become more tolerant while sticking to my own convictions.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Dondi

I'm more accepting, so I guess the biggest change is that I've become more tolerant while sticking to my own convictions.

I love that you see those as compatable.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by wil

I love that you see those as compatable.

And don't you?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Dondi

And don't you?

Yes surely, but I catch grief about it all the time.

[Dondi]

There is a difference between sticking to your convictions and imposing those convictions on others. It's a fine line between that and sharing your faith or sharing the message, which for Christians is something Jesus commanded us to do.