Hardline takeover of mosques?

[Muslimwoman]

Maybe this would all become a more grown up discussion if we look up the names provided and comment from our perspective. Then perhaps we could all learn something.

Bob simply denying it could be possible does not address the issue or correct us if you feel we are wrong about the information we are reading. Would it not be better to post a reply with facts as you know them or you are allowing people to carry on believing something that is wrong (in your opinion).

BB I have no opinion about Russian neo-Nazi's other than a lingering question as to what sort of immigration process Israel has that would allow these people into the country. My issue is that it seems that if something is happening on one 'side' it is insignifant and should be dismissed if it is a minority but a percentage of 0.01% on the other 'side' is representative. All I want us all to agree on is that there is good and bad on all sides and that minorities on both sides make us all look bad but are not necessarily representative of the whole. I simply object to being told what I think because some nutcase in Saudi or Iran believes it.

Salaam
MW

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by bob x

I'm sorry Tao, but to me it sounds as if you have allowed paranoid conspiracy-theory cultists to completely take over your head. There is no known cure, unfortunately.

Rflmao......
..... you poor poor man.

How many people were involved in the Third Reich? Many millions. Why is it so hard to imagine that a very few were involved? That kind of attitude, dismissal without thought or endeavouring to check the veracity of my words says one thing only to me... waste of time this guy is. The Nuremberg Trials are well documented, even such a republichrist as you cannot claim that a conspiracy theorist lie. I do not follow the site and links of Conspiracy Theorists for my information. I like to be sure it is in the historical record for myself, preferably independently and non-alligned. Call me what you will Bob-X, it would not be the first time I am wrong...and I hold my hands up and am happy to be corrected... but take your own smug certitude and choke on it buddy.

Tao

[bob x]

Would it not be better to post a reply with facts as you know them or you are allowing people to carry on believing something that is wrong

People who believe this sort of secret gnosis about the hidden machinations running the world reap psychological benefits from it (a sense of superiority over everybody else), and so they are immune to being talked out of it. I am not going to waste any time with him.

[bananabrain]

hur, hur, hur. when i read that last couple of posts of yours, tao, i absolutely fell out of my seat laughing. the thule society, you're giving me?

Originally Posted by Tao Equus

There is documented evidence to prove that at least 1200 Jews served in the German army including 2 field marshals, (one was Erhard Milch, deputy to Goering), and 15 generals.

evidence from where? documented by whom?

as for the thule society, i think you're getting into seriously woo-woo territory here (as well as confusing it with the skulls-and-bones or whatever it's called as well as the bilderbergers and the elders of zion). are you david icke in disguise? i hate to break it to you, mate, but crackpot occultist wittering went out of fashion about the same time as the nazis.

Its main premise is said to be Aryan supremacy but if you look at the history of membership this makes little sense. What does make sense is its members have been the movers and shakers in business, politics and banking across the western world for close to 100 years.

of course it makes "little sense" -

- because it's absolute bollocks.

you now seem to be buying into the whole jewish world conspiracy nonsense too. where do you do your "research", mate? ziopedia? jew-watch? i think you're spending too much time on the internet.

besides, the secret society you should really be concerned about is the "tres", with their secret map of the telluric currents!

as for rosenberg, the editor of "der stuermer", i have heard of him of course, but if you have concluded that he is a jew because of his surname, a cursory bit of research will inform you that he was from a family of baltic germans. try not to be so credulous next time.

Alfred Rosenberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

of course, if i *am* an alien space lizard, like prince philip, i could be lying through my serrated green fangs.......

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by bananabrain

hur, hur, hur. when i read that last couple of posts of yours, tao, i absolutely fell out of my seat laughing.....

I thought you might pipe in soon, hope you did not do yourself an injury falling off your seat You do not believe the Thule Society exists? Hah Hah Hah Hah.. you must believe every word pumped out by the Israeli ministry for Bull****. Ohhhhh but sorry.... you are BB...you have a monopoly on truth now dont you

If it were possible I might actually be offended that you seek your oft used technique of attacking with ridicule as substance. I am sorry you tow in lizards and David Icke rather than help me understand the truth a little better by informing me of what you know that I do not.

Let me get this off my chest though. I am not anti-Jew. I do not believe in a Zionist conspiracy. That said (again) I hope you can let it sink into your head at last and refrain from throwing muck in the hope that it sticks.

The Thule Society does exist. So does Skull and Bones and the Bilderberg Group and the Bloomberg Group. How naive of you to suppose that the worlds wealthiest and most power hungry people do not form groups to further their aims! That a number of the members are Jewish, even a disproportionate number, does not make it a Jewish plot however and I do not believe CT's that suggest this. The vast majority of Jews are just people like everyone else.

As for Rosenberg he was born in Estonia to a Jewish family originaly from St Petersburg in Russia. He hated his "own" people for their failure to rise up in support of the Tzar against the Bolsheviks. As a result he disowned being Jewish, no much more, he developed a pathological hatred for them.

The Nazi party/military were meticulous record keepers. Despite the best efforts of the Mossad and its satellite smokescreeners and disseminators of crap there are indeed a number of individuals who were Nazi Jews. Dont blame me or call me foolish for believing this, as I stated in my response to Bob X, what would be truly amazing if there was not.

They say Mossad has eyes on every discussion forum. Any idea if there are any here? Tell tale sign is to watch out for someone with a slash and burn approach. Someone who tries to divert the topic. I have encountered Mossad before. Gun carrying Mossad agents in a country they had no right to do so. There is no Jewish conspiracy... but there are quite a few very powerful Jews.


Tao

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Someone who tries to divert the topic.
Tao

I think that must be all of us!!!

Certainly anyone not discussing Hardline takeover of mosques.

Just wanted to contribute to my own thread a little. heh heh....

As you were....

s.

[bob x]

Banana, don't waste your time. Not only have I become a "Republichrist" but you are morphing into a Mossad agent. Anyone who doesn't see how obviously correct his theories are must be part of the conspiracy.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I think that must be all of us!!!

Certainly anyone not discussing Hardline takeover of mosques.

Just wanted to contribute to my own thread a little. heh heh....

As you were....

s.

You accusing me of thread hijacking.....me!!

Ermmmm can we do a plea bargain?

Tao

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by bob x

Banana, don't waste your time. Not only have I become a "Republichrist" but you are morphing into a Mossad agent. Anyone who doesn't see how obviously correct his theories are must be part of the conspiracy.

I do not have theories... but since you cant be bothered to read that you would not know would you. I only look at what others are saying and present opinion on it. Soorrrry I cannot be more like you and perfect...pity perfect has no bloody humour tho.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by bob x

People who believe this sort of secret gnosis about the hidden machinations running the world reap psychological benefits from it (a sense of superiority over everybody else), and so they are immune to being talked out of it. I am not going to waste any time with him.

Bob do you ever listen to yourself and realise how arrogant and insulting you can come across as? You joined a discussion forum but refuse to discuss. Isn't this arm folding 'I am right and you are wrong and I refuse to tell you where you are wrong' attitude why Israel and Palestine now have the deadlock they are in? It is your choice of course, you can engage in information exchange and discussion or not but if you choose not to then please remember the next time you come across a real anti-semite you helped perpetuate that.

I would have thought it obvious from Tao's posts that this is a subject he is just now looking into. If you can't sway a mind, with opposing evidence, at that stage of research then I fear that is a failing within yourself.

BB you are not helping. I have always found Tao to be a reasonable guy with an enquiring mind. This is clearly a subject he is looking into and to my mind it would be better to inform him of your views or point him/us at reading that will give the other side of the story rather than just make sarcastic comments.

Tao and I have both posted links to people known to have worked in or for the Nazi party (and not 'little' people afraid for their lives), that had some Jewish parentage. No-one has addressed any of those names or explained to us that to the Jewish people these men are not considered Jewish because of x, y or z. I accept it is not an easy thing to categorise, not all Muslims are Arabs and not all Arabs are Muslims but all Arabs have Arabic genes or blood or however you wish to describe it. There are also plenty of people out there born to Muslim parents who are no more Muslim than you are. However, a certain person on this forum doesn't really consider me to be a Muslim because I do not share his silly views - that does not make me any less Muslim. Perhaps if we understood this issue it may add something to the discussion.

And please both stop throwing this anti-semite phrase around every time someone mentions anything that doesn't sit well with you. Yes real anti-semites exist and must be re-educated/opposed but I am afraid when the phrase is thrown around with abandon it reduces it's meaning when it is genuinely needed.

Salaam

[wil]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Tao and I have both posted links to people known to have worked in or for the Nazi party (and not 'little' people afraid for their lives), that had some Jewish parentage. No-one has addressed any of those names or explained to us that to the Jewish people these men are not considered Jewish because of x, y or z.

I'm just speaking out of turn, but could not their actions themselves be an indication that they may be Jewish by heritage but not spiritually? Much like the discussion of the Christian that does unchristianlike things...or the Muslims that flew the plane into the towers or strap bombs to themselves and get on a bus.

In these cases they are proving that maybe they go to the synagogue, mosque, church or....maybe they were raised in a religious/spiritual family...maybe their parents and their parent's parents and their parent's parent's parents on infinitum were of a certain religious persuasion.... but by their actions they are not deemed to be of that religion by the majority of the group??

How does one explain that away?

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by wil

I'm just speaking out of turn, but could not their actions themselves be an indication that they may be Jewish by heritage but not spiritually? Much like the discussion of the Christian that does unchristianlike things...or the Muslims that flew the plane into the towers or strap bombs to themselves and get on a bus.

Oh absolutely Wil and I hope no-one has suggested they are Jewish spiritually but that seems to be what the argument is about. Tao and I don't understand why BB & Bob cannot accept this, that it is about people of Jewish heritage. Nobody has suggested they are representative of the Jewish nation, so how can our suggestions be anti-semitic? I also understand what a difficult subject it must be for a Jewish person to discuss the holocaust but we seem to be in this deadlock of 'they didn't exist' against 'yes they did', as though it is some kind of personal attack or attack against the poor souls that died in the holocaust.

Originally Posted by wil

How does one explain that away?

Well this is one of the difficulties I am trying to undertand. What makes an arab an arab - their parentage. What makes a Muslim a Muslim - their faith. But you can't say that person isn't an Arab because we don't like their thinking.

[Tao_Equus]

Go on Wil.... blame me!! We both know its all my fault!!

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Go on Wil.... blame me!! We both know its all my fault!!

Hee hee Tao put your paranoia away.

[bob x]

Bob do you ever listen to yourself and realise how arrogant and insulting you can come across as?

I was responding to a post starting "Rflmao........... you poor poor man." and calling me a "Republichrist", showing an utter incomprehension of who he is talking to. Why should I waste time with this person?

You joined a discussion forum but refuse to discuss

I didn't respond to dattaswami or paganprophet when they were spewing their craziness, either. I did not invite him into this thread; I cannot veto his participation in it, but no, I am not going to bang heads with him.

I would have thought it obvious from Tao's posts that this is a subject he is just now looking into.

It is obvious from his posts that he has already set his mind in concrete, and anyone who does not see the wisdom will be pitied and condescended to, or condemned as an agent of the grand conspiracy.

Tao and I don't understand why BB & Bob cannot accept this, that it is about people of Jewish heritage.

Because it isn't. No, Rosenberg was not of Jewish heritage-- the name sounds Jewish, so whatever website is now gospel in Tao's eyes makes up that he was a Jew. No, the Thule Society was not Jewish; and no, it does not exist nowadays, nor has it for decades. This is the kind of lunacy that banana and I have both seen many times.