Hardline takeover of mosques?

[bob x]

What Tao Equus said, about "prominent" Jews who "orchestrated" the Holocaust, was vile and foul. You responded by expressing support. That was vile and foul also. Then you pretend that you never did so, and want to express indignation that anyone would say you had done the vile and foul thing that, in fact, you did.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by bob x

What Tao Equus said, about "prominent" Jews who "orchestrated" the Holocaust, was vile and foul. You responded by expressing support. That was vile and foul also. Then you pretend that you never did so, and want to express indignation that anyone would say you had done the vile and foul thing that, in fact, you did.

Is your hearing as selective as your reading? Tao said there were prominent Jews in the holocaust, PERHAPS even orchestrating it. The word perhaps does not suggest a certainty or knowledge of a thing. There is evidence that some Jews worked with the Nazi party. When Tao posts the findings of his studies we can then comment on the true or false statements we find there.

You cannot hold the views you do about Muslims and expect everyone to never question the events of the holocaust because you find that 'vile and foul'. I find calling one view vile and foul, while you hold the view that you do about Muslims en masse very hypocrytical.

[bob x]

Tao said there were prominent Jews in the holocaust, PERHAPS even orchestrating it. The word perhaps does not suggest a certainty or knowledge of a thing.

His "perhaps" about the "orchestrating" part is what is called "insinuation", or "weasel-wording". He did, however, express certainty that Jews were "prominent" in the holocaust.

You cannot hold the views you do about Muslims and expect everyone to never question the events of the holocaust because you find that 'vile and foul'.

Of course I can. It is BECAUSE Muslims are so prominent in orchestrating the perpetuation of Nazi propaganda that I hold the views that I do.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by bob x

His "perhaps" about the "orchestrating" part is what is called "insinuation", or "weasel-wording".

In your opinion.

Originally Posted by bob x

He did, however, express certainty that Jews were "prominent" in the holocaust.

In my opinion, reading his post, he is aware, as we all are, that some Jews were prominent in Nazi Germany and PERHAPS even assisted in the orchestration of the holocaust but he is still studying this theory.

Originally Posted by bob x

Of course I can. It is BECAUSE Muslims are so prominent in orchestrating the perpetuation of Nazi propaganda that I hold the views that I do.

That's okay then Bob, as long as we all know that it is fine for you to make assumptions and throw wild accusations about but not for others to do it and that all comments must be in line with your views. Perhaps you could post a thread of who your gang is and what the rules of discussion are?

I would like to hear your views about the Jewish Nazi party in Israel at the moment, I believe they are new settlers from Russia. There was quite a lot about them in the news a couple of weeks ago. Perhaps in your view they are Muslims in disguise?

[Muslimwoman]

I am rather confused about something. I accept that denying the holocaust is stupid, insulting and vile.

However even if it turned out tomorrow that Himmler himself was of Jewish descent, how would that be vile or foul? That would not change what happened, it would not make the Jewish people culpable for what happened to them, it would not lessen the holocaust one iota. It would simply mean that a very evil person was born to parents of the Jewish heritage.

Oh and I just know with your attitude that you will read my previous post incorrectly. I was not suggesting we are all aware that perhaps some Jews orchestrated the holocaust, only that we are all aware that a few Jews were prominent in Nazi Germany.

[bob x]

No, I am not the least bit aware of Jews being "prominent" in the Nazi regime. I would be utterly fascinated to hear.

[Muslimwoman]

If you are interested in my or Tao's views on the holocaust you might take the time to read the thread called "Is the cry anti-semetic overused?" in the politics section. Begin about post No 42. I dont know how to post a link maybe someone could do that for me.

Please take note of post No 46 and then Tao's post No 51, you will see his views on holocaust denials.

Accepting that Israel also does wrong, a small number of Jews were prominent in Nazi Germany and some of that number may have assisted in the holocaust creation is not being anti semetic or holocaust denial. It is a realistic look at what happened during the Nazi regime. You may find that vile and foul but I find deciding a group of people are, en masse, beyond reproach or criticism tedious and small minded.

[bob x]

To create a link, highlight the thread title on the page of threads and cut-and-paste as usual, thusly:
Hardline takeover of mosques?
There are 17 pages of threads here on the Politics section, I am not going to go through them all looking for what you want, since it is not up on the front page.

You may find that vile and foul but I find deciding a group of people are, en masse, beyond reproach or criticism tedious and small minded

I have never said that any group of people are beyond reproach or criticism.

I would like to hear your views about the Jewish Nazi party in Israel at the moment, I believe they are new settlers from Russia. There was quite a lot about them in the news a couple of weeks ago. Perhaps in your view they are Muslims in disguise?

There is no Nazi "party" in Israel, there are a handful of punky kids from Russia: six were arrested. You are trying to make this out to be the equivalent of Nazi propagandizing by the governments, in Iran and Gaza, the state media, in Egypt and Syria, and the state-supported preachers, in Saudi Arabia.

[Muslimwoman]

http://www.comparative-religion.com/...ic-7226-4.html

page 3

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by bob x

There is no Nazi "party" in Israel, there are a handful of punky kids from Russia: six were arrested. You are trying to make this out to be the equivalent of Nazi propagandizing by the governments, in Iran and Gaza, the state media, in Egypt and Syria, and the state-supported preachers, in Saudi Arabia.

This is from the Jewish Post

Neo-Nazis in the Jewish homeland | Jerusalem Post

"There are several hundred neo-Nazis in Israel, maybe more. Perhaps 100 perpetrate violent attacks," says Zalman Gilichinski, a Torah instructor in Jerusalem who is not only the leading authority, but probably the only authority on the extent of neo-Nazism in Israel.

[bob x]

Ok. So???

[Muslimwoman]

Just responding to your comment that it is a 'handful of punky kids'. Until we recognise the reality of what is out there we cannot challenge it.

[bananabrain]

mw, i think bob's definitions of a "handful" is probably as good as his definitions of "tiny", "small" and "significant" minorities. in a country of 4m people, 100 people is properly a "handful", if you ask me.

and yes, it was indeed "insinuation" and "weasel-wording" precisely because of the use of the words "prominent" and "orchestrated". were they at the wannsee conference? i don't *think* so.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Tao_Equus]

There is documented evidence to prove that at least 1200 Jews served in the German army including 2 field marshals, (one was Erhard Milch, deputy to Goering), and 15 generals.

But to really understand what happened in Nazi Germany you have to go back to the beginning of the Nazi Party. Hitler was invited to join the "fatherland party" by Anton Drexler, a member of the Thule Society. More contemporary members of this society include all the male Bush family, Cheney, Kissinger Casper Weinberger, (now dead), and many other prominent Jews. The Thule Society was/is anything but a secretive Jewish organisation however. Its main premise is said to be Aryan supremacy but if you look at the history of membership this makes little sense. What does make sense is its members have been the movers and shakers in business, politics and banking across the western world for close to 100 years.

A member of the Thule Society called Alfred Rosenberg, a Jew, was also to become a key member of the Nazi Party and is attributed for being the author of Nazi idealogical creeds and racial theory. After Hitler fell out with Drexler he was Thule's 'handler' for Hitler. He was convicted at Nuremberg and hung as a war criminal.

My research into this area of history has not been to seek out Jewish collusion in the holocaust and indeed I have found no evidence for such a thing. What is apparent to me is that certain people will commit the most horrendous crimes against humanity purely for greed and power and are more than happy to hide behind the smokescreen of public history they encourage to have written. The actual history takes a lot of digging to find but it is there. Adolf Hitler was a Thule Puppet that, (in going mad), broke his strings and walked his own path, in that sense no different to Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden, (although my opinion is that Osama is very much still on the payroll).

To deny Jewish involvement of any kind in Nazi atrocities is to be naive. But to in any way suggest it was all a Jewish conspiracy is utterly false too.

Tao

[bob x]

I'm sorry Tao, but to me it sounds as if you have allowed paranoid conspiracy-theory cultists to completely take over your head. There is no known cure, unfortunately.