good versus evil

[mahogan]

'America, the Lord and Christianity' - that is some sentence!

The Declaration of Independence? I remember a lot of non-white people dying for that a long time after it was written. Does God want to have his/her name tied to one country? One that spends more on armaments than the rest of the world - *combined*?

Does one god mean 'my god', or the 'god of humanity' or the 'god of the world'?

I will not labour on the breaches of the Hebrew Commandments within the American (I assume this is North American?) system of government and social life.

I would arge that one must live very simply, avoid complex and wide ranging relationships and economic activities if one is to hold onto the notion of 'good' and 'evil'.

We speak of the 'evils' of the modern age and forget the horrors of the past - of the wars in the Middle East from before biblical times, the atrocities in Europn in the stone age, the Pax Romana, the destruction of Pagan Europe by the Roman Church, the Protestantising of England and Norther Europe, the spread of Europan Christianity and political power in empire building. None of these were in any way peaceful.
Humans do have a nasty streak, it is for each to do what they can and continue to do what they can to combat that which lies beyond the good.

[Kaspar]

I'm feeling this thread.

Humans do have a nasty streak, it is for each to do what they can and continue to do what they can to combat that which lies beyond the good.

I like that because it sounds realistic.

Heres a theory
Do you think good & Evil could be explained by human biology? Maybe, When we think something is Evil or wrong it is because we've got an influx of some certian chemical rushing around our blood stream. That depending on what food you eat like if you eat animals that have lead a happy life with freedom it gives you lots of the "Good Chemical" or if you live in a house you built yourself, out of materials that a happy worker has crafted, you have more positive chemicals drifting through your walls?

One thing I definately think is a fact is that if you are looking for EVIL you will see it. Simply because it is what you're focussing on. If we start breaking the world down into absolutes like either - Bomb the middle east ...or... - be bombed by the middle east. Which is George W Bushes theology then we start making yourselves difficult choices and giving ourselves a hard time.
An example to my arguement is if you, reading this thread, want to argue with my post, you will be looking for things that don't make sense (like this point and the point before) so you will find statements that don't correspond. But on the otherhand if you are looking for interesting ideas that don't really copy to other ideas on this site you (hopefully) will find some. I think the moral is to look for good in people, look for things you like in posts then you will have yourself a nice situation with easier choices.

Back to good and Evil. I have another theory about what are the REAL deep down sources of our different interpretations of the two terms.

I think that the Universe and all people are constantly expanding and dying. They enjoy expandingbut are reluctant towards destruction. I think this expansion is Good & right and destruction is Evil & wrong.

Lets look at some examples and how my theory would relate to them.
The ten commandments
I. Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.
-This would destroy the intensity of the worshippers relationship with God.
II. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
-This would also destroy the perfection, wholeness and simple Amazingness of God.
III. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
-Destroys the honour and speciality of Gods name
IV. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
-opposite, about leaving time to let other intrests grow to be creative, not to continously work but to think about God & let your knowledge and experience of God grow.
V. Honour thy father and thy mother.
-not destroying a precious relationship that will help you through life.
VI. Thou shalt not kill.
-obvious don't destroy life

I could go on to "VII. Thous shalt not commit adultery." but I think that would be dragging the point. I am trying to show how creativity and destruction could be good descriptions of what good and Evil actually are whatever religion, culture or education we have.

Respect

[Sacredstar]

Interesting that GOD did not wish us to learn good -v- evil in the first place......

Gen 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil...for what you eat of it you will surely die."

But yet we could eat from any tree of life.

So if we had no knowledge of evil what would life be like? I would say that there would be nothing evil to consider for what we think/know we do create with our consciousness.

So when will people stop eating from that same old tree and change their consciousness ?

Food for thought......

being love


kim xx

[Bellamente]

Originally Posted by Sacredstar

So if we had no knowledge of evil what would life be like? I would say that there would be nothing evil to consider for what we think/know we do create with our consciousness.

I would have to agree. Though since God is all-knowing he knew Eve was going to eat from that tree. Free will in my opinion is something you need in life in order to learn. If we had no evil or sin, we would not be able to learn from our mistakes.

[Sacredstar]

But he also sent Jesus Christ to provide a new commandment of love that would eradicate the darkness and I truly hold on to the hope of the prophecies being fulfilled.

That there will be a future for humanity of complete peace once we have moved through to the other side of the end times.

If not I might as well go home now!

Big smiles!

Love beyond measure

kim xx

[Kaspar]

Originally Posted by Sacredstar

But he also sent Jesus Christ to provide a new commandment of love that would eradicate the darkness and I truly hold on to the hope of the prophecies being fulfilled.

That there will be a future for humanity of complete peace once we have moved through to the other side of the end times.

Personally I feel like living in the present, I want to make humanity with more peace now not wait for God to tie his laces before he comes to our rescue.

Jesus Christ brought lots of love but where do Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Chico Mendes etc and other great people come into the equation? I think these people have undoubtably made the World a better place. IMO everyone should strive to work for the same ideals as these people have, to make the world a better place. I don't see what difference waiting for; "everyone to move through to the other side of the end times" will make.

[17th Angel]

Exastra,

Who is the one you call Lucifer?

(for the record I am not a mormon lol but this link I agree with 100% in regards to the history of the name... Lucifer.)

Lucifer - where did the word come from and what is its true meaning?

[Rouge47]

Originally Posted by exastra

There is no good or bad, right or wrong. Only harmless and harmful.

Also "this and that." I forgot who said that, but I think it had something to with Darwinism.

[Rouge47]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Exastra,

Who is the one you call Lucifer?

(for the record I am not a mormon lol but this link I agree with 100% in regards to the history of the name... Lucifer.)

Lucifer - where did the word come from and what is its true meaning?

Lucifer was Satan's (devil's) name before he was expelled from heaven. Its commonly used in texts and philosophical/theological manuscripts. Nowadays we just simply refer to him as Satan or the devil.