Good Men Hate God

[Terrence]

Originally Posted by Dor

Man changed the stories....they are still in the Bible just modern day people want to ignore them.

Amen!

[wil]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

.... The english word fear is in the NKJV bible 354 times Its either saying Fear the Lord.. or Fear not because the Lord is with you. ... choose a version and type the word "Fear" and read all the verses.. Its not a bad word.. when its a holy righteous fear of a Holy Righteous God... .. I dont want Terrance to go.. I havent wanted any of our baby evangelicals to leave.. and they keep getting chased off

I don't believe anyone is chasing anyone off. I am suggesting that he puts down the 2x4 and discusses concepts. It is my understanding from my Jewish friends that the word that is often (not always) translated as fear is actually closer to meaning respect and reverence. I don't fear G-d, but have much respect and reverence for the power. I don't fear an automobile, or a rifle, as I do not regularly put myself in a position where it is pointed at me and can do me harm.

I was not referring to what man has done to the bible in translating or interpretting, but what man's reasons were for authoring the various books of the bible....and then later deemed those books scripture and compiled them.

Terrence I'll have to look into your double the hell references and discover where G-d crushed his Son....any assistance on scriptural references/verification of your claims from you would be appreciated. But I have no issues with my words. I find it interesting that you feel their exist various Jesuses, various Christs, and various G-ds that folks believe in...

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by wil

I don't believe anyone is chasing anyone off. I am suggesting that he puts down the 2x4 and discusses concepts. It is my understanding from my Jewish friends that the word that is often (not always) translated as fear is actually closer to meaning respect and reverence. I don't fear G-d, but have much respect and reverence for the power. I don't fear an automobile, or a rifle, as I do not regularly put myself in a position where it is pointed at me and can do me harm.

I was not referring to what man has done to the bible in translating or interpretting, but what man's reasons were for authoring the various books of the bible....and then later deemed those books scripture and compiled them.

Terrence I'll have to look into your double the hell references and discover where G-d crushed his Son....any assistance on scriptural
references/verification of your claims from you would be appreciated. But I have no issues with my words. I find it interesting that you feel their exist various Jesuses, various Christs, and various G-ds that folks believe in...

hmm

Maybe you should do a word study yourself instead of taking someones word for it.. I find the best way is to learn for myself.. Crosswalk has a really good KJV lexicon. I was going to post numbers etc... but its pointless if you are satisfied with your dillusions then that is your choice.... it is still a beautiful study of Gods glory.

Terrence is not alone in his belief about idol worshipping... in my opinion there are quite a few idol worshippers that post here. They certainly arent worshipping the same God that I am.

And according to scripture The Father had foresaken Jesus Christ... removing Himself from the constant presence of one would certainly crush Him. You are just trifling by picking at anything and everything Terrance is saying.

[taijasi]

Well you see, Faithful, I think it comes down to rendering. If we look at the presentation that has come to be accepted, we have:

“Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani?

And this translation certainly leads us to think, "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me?"

Yet another rendering of the Greek, from the original Hebrew, will show us that even a single word, given a slightly different emphasis - in the translation, in the rendering, mind you - will yield:

"Eli, Eli, lamah azabvtha-ni?"

And now we see a knowing Jesus, well aware of the plans, the intentions, and the Presence of the Father, praising Him with the utterance:

My God, My God, how thou dost glorify me!

Both renderings can be shown to have significance. But what was God more likely to have done - abandoned (forsaken) - His "only begotten Son" ... or glorified Him?

In this case, I DO think the logical answer is the one that applies. And the shortcoming, which I find with the human touch, the translation that has come to be preferred ... in no reflects negatively upon either Christ, or His Father in Heaven.

Which is it that is perfect, Human translation, or the Person, Presence, and utterances of the Father and the Father's Son?

I would say - that while the answer to this question isn't up for debate - the matter of translation, is.

Unless we just want an Amen corner.


Q, who is the resident scholar, may want to consider:

Hλι Hλι λαμα .σαβαχθανι

Questioning ...

andrew/taijasi

[Faithfulservant]

Matthew 23:8-12 But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

I have one Father and one Teacher.. Everyone else is clueless..

I'll take that one into the "Amen Corner" whatever that means.

1cor 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, "He catches the wise in their own craftiness";

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Ive watched people come and go on this site... because they believe strongly in the Fear of God and when they talk about that fear it gets twisted to where they seem judgemental and aggressive.. but that is how they came to God and have not gained the spiritual maturity yet to let the Lord harvest what seeds have been sown.. Fear of the Lord won Terrance to Christ...He is in love with Christ and wants to share his experience with everyone because he knows God desires that ALL come to Him.. and what we are seeing is Terrances.. works as a product of his faith.. I dont want Terrance to go.. I havent wanted any of our baby evangelicals to leave.. and they keep getting chased off

I don't want anyone to go either. I think I had a hand in chasing off a couple of believers, but that was never my intent. It's a bitter conflict for me between saying what I think and slow pitching the people who need it. Right now I'm trying to be part of the solution.

Chris

[Terrence]

Originally Posted by wil

Terrence I'll have to look into your double the hell references and discover where G-d crushed his Son....any assistance on scriptural references/verification of your claims from you would be appreciated. But I have no issues with my words. I find it interesting that you feel their exist various Jesuses, various Christs, and various G-ds that folks believe in...

Isa. 53:4, 10. Read the whole chapter though. Read it and stand in awe of what God has done for sinners.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I don't want anyone to go either. I think I had a hand in chasing off a couple of believers, but that was never my intent. It's a bitter conflict for me between saying what I think and slow pitching the people who need it. Right now I'm trying to be part of the solution.

Chris

Fast ball is the name of the game. One either gets an eye for it, or stays in the bleachers and wishes. As a rule, though the pitcher can not bean the batter, less he wish to automatically give up first base...

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Terrence

Isa. 53:4, 10. Read the whole chapter though. Read it and stand in awe of what God has done for sinners.

Dude, I looked into the eyes of my newborn child and saw in awe what God does for sinners...

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Terrence

I'd like to talk with each and every one of you guys about this, but I'm sure I might be booted from this site soon. Before I leave though, its important for me to tell you that you need to stop surpressing the truth of God and repent and trust in Jesus that you may be saved. Nothing I was harsh or mean, but you are angry because it is truth.

Hi Terrence,

I am not angry.

If you don't want to be booted from this site then make sure you abide by the code of conduct of the site as presumably we are all meant to do, whatever our beliefs or non-beliefs. I can understand that what you want to say is of far greater significance than a forum code. But you may need to ask yourself do I want to comply with the code of conduct and therefore still be able to communicate with others on here, or lose this channel of communication?

Snoopy.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Fast ball is the name of the game. One either gets an eye for it, or stays in the bleachers and wishes. As a rule, though the pitcher can not bean the batter, less he wish to automatically give up first base...

Hey, if that's the kind of language you're going to use then I'm going to start talking in cricket

HOWZAT???!!!!

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Hi Terrence,

I am not angry.

If you don't want to be booted from this site then make sure you abide by the code of conduct of the site as presumably we are all meant to do, whatever our beliefs or non-beliefs. I can understand that what you want to say is of far greater significance than a forum code. But you may need to ask yourself do I want to comply with the code of conduct and therefore still be able to communicate with others on here, or lose this channel of communication?

Snoopy.

Yep, it is that simple. I personally want to hear about God and man and things we are to do, or not do. But, I also do not want it shoved down my throat. I also want people to be able to agree to disagree, without getting kicked in the bythots.

I say "I", because I'm speaking for me. Code of Conduct is a law that I adhere to, because I agreed to it when I joined this community.

Snoop, you got the right idea. Hope others get it too...

[Snoopy]

Thanks Q-dude.

(But Terrence - don't feel ganged up on; my advice is meant to be constructive).

Snoopy.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Hey, if that's the kind of language you're going to use then I'm going to start talking in cricket

HOWZAT???!!!!

As long as you don't act the "bowler"...softball under hand really is boring. Sticky wicket is normally the ground around here so batter beware.

(the yank knows the game...)

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

(the yank knows the game...)

I find that hard to believe

(I don't think the English understand it; I reckon half of it is made up on a whim by the umpire. A bit like the referee in rugby!)

Snoopy.

PS Sorry, off topic. As you were...