Global Warming Watch - Page 6

flowperson · 09-21-2007, 11:26 PM

*SHHHHH ...flow tippytoes into the thread with two new posts hoping that arguments do not spontaneously erupt*

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http://www.livescience.com/environme...gw_kimoon.html

http://www.livescience.com/environme...king_lots.html

Snoopy · 09-22-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by flowperson

*SHHHHH ...flow tippytoes into the thread with two new posts hoping that arguments do not spontaneously erupt*

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UN Chief: Global Warming Demands Action | LiveScience

Parking Lots Outnumber People, Add to Pollution | LiveScience

I cannot BELIEVE that you posted this claptrap.

Sheesh.

s.

(heh heh)

cyberpi · 09-22-2007, 05:20 PM

The major difference between gas and liquid is entropy. With a cycle of gas rising, and liquid falling, the difference between them is the entropy that the planet gets rid of. That cycle is what the planet needs more of now than ever to keep up with life. That cycle cools the planet, increases water supplies, cleans the air, waters the plant life... many good things. The cycle can be driven. It is driven and powered by the sun. What is required is offering it up more abundantly to the sun. Trees perform that function.

The cycle is like a rotary engine. Sunlight is the fuel. The clouds perform the commutation. We need to find the accelerator to the engine, which will rev up the cycle. The accelerator is evaporation... whatever increases evaporation. Surface area. Thin water layer. Solar target. Thermal isolation. Air flow.

Many animals have fur to hold their temperature, both to keep warm and to keep cool, and animals need an ample supply of water. So must the planet. The fur of the planet are the trees. Trees evaporate water. Trees need water so that they can release entropy while storing energy. Trees increase the solid surface area of the planet. Don't hug an old tree... plant three new ones. Plant them on rooftops. Plant them over oceans.

Muslimwoman · 09-23-2007, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Snoopy

I cannot BELIEVE that you posted this claptrap.

Sheesh.

s.

(heh heh)

How dare you speak to Flow in that manner, it's not as though you ever contribute anything but drivel.

{you know I wuv u really but it was too hard to resist

}

flowperson · 09-23-2007, 04:17 AM

Hmmm... the last "claptrap" I encountered was a slightly overweight platinum blonde woman in a low cut red dress that I met at a bar in Las Vegas. I desisted.

*flow meekly tippytoes away in shame*

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flowperson · 09-24-2007, 04:33 PM

While the CBS Morning Show admonishes us to pay close attantion to Britney doing drugs and getting naked in front of her kids...AFTER HER REHAB ! And...we need to pay close attention to a NEW BRADY BUNCH SCANDAL on the horizon...the "hide yer heads in the sand gang" rally around their fearless leader to concoct their own answers to the "global warming crisis" later this week.

Reputedly this was heard wafting acoss the lawn from the west wing during a planning session..."By crackey, we surely don't want no black helicopters and guys with light blue helmets stoppin' us from drivin' our pickups down dusty roads. Why...they'll even probibly try to take the rifles out of our back window gunracks iffin' we're not reel careful...right y'all ?"

flow....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/world/24warming.html

wil · 09-24-2007, 04:58 PM

Can someone help me on this one?

As I understand it any actual sea level rising today has been minute, yet I'm reading these reports.

Are these islanders needing relocating due to sea levels rising, normal sea erosion, or their islands sinking??

I live on the Eastern Seaboard of the US... In Annapolis, MD for as long as I can remember high tides come up through the storm drains and into the gutters...so I can physically see any change in sea level in relation to how high the water is on the curb. I discern no change....same as a dock down on the Patuxent. It has during high rains and high tides which blow up the river gone over the dock a few times in the past 20 years....but in normal high tides it comes up to the bottom of the dock joists....and there is no change in this over the past twenty years.

It isn't really possible that sea levels could rise in one part of the world and not another is it?? Wouldn't this be a global??

Carterets to be Evacuated due to Rising Sea Level | Climate IMC International
Oxfam Australia :: Media :: Rising sea levels submerging islands in Papua New Guinea
Australia: People on the Frontline of Climate Change | Rising Tide Australia

my main issue is as follows. If this is an actual global warming, sea level rising problem, it is important. However if this is occurring due to another condition and it is sensationalizing or not the real truth...it is yet another black eye...and will be utilized as yet another touchdown for the deniers..

Tao_Equus · 09-24-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Can someone help me on this one?

As I understand it any actual sea level rising today has been minute, yet I'm reading these reports.

Are these islanders needing relocating due to sea levels rising, normal sea erosion, or their islands sinking??

I live on the Eastern Seaboard of the US... In Annapolis, MD for as long as I can remember high tides come up through the storm drains and into the gutters...so I can physically see any change in sea level in relation to how high the water is on the curb. I discern no change....same as a dock down on the Patuxent. It has during high rains and high tides which blow up the river gone over the dock a few times in the past 20 years....but in normal high tides it comes up to the bottom of the dock joists....and there is no change in this over the past twenty years.

It isn't really possible that sea levels could rise in one part of the world and not another is it?? Wouldn't this be a global??

Carterets to be Evacuated due to Rising Sea Level | Climate IMC International
Oxfam Australia :: Media :: Rising sea levels submerging islands in Papua New Guinea
Australia: People on the Frontline of Climate Change | Rising Tide Australia

my main issue is as follows. If this is an actual global warming, sea level rising problem, it is important. However if this is occurring due to another condition and it is sensationalizing or not the real truth...it is yet another black eye...and will be utilized as yet another touchdown for the deniers..

Sea level rises are extremely difficult to accurately gauge and are subject to much controversy. I do attempt to be neutral in my evaluation of any claim but have seen spurious figures put out by both sides so getting a fair picture of the changes taking place is far from easy. In the north Atlantic any sea level rises are pretty much offset by a rising of the continental shelves. This is due to the release of weight of ice that was put on them during the last glaciation. The figures for location specific rising and falling of continental crust are highly variable and I think its fair to say it is still a poorly understood science.
The greatest rise in sea level is in the tropics where we also find the greatest rise in sea temperature. Here thermal expansion is largely held responsible for the changes that threaten certain islands but yet again the rises are not uniformly seen across specific latitudes. It seems that "sea level" is not an arbitrary mean that applies everywhere but that the oceans themselves are hilly or at least form quite long term peaks and troughs.
A new set of satellites is soon to be or has been recently been launched to give us some harder data on the dynamics of sea level and I think, from what I have read, that it would be premature of anyone to offer a definitive picture of sea level changes until we have more info.

Tao

flowperson · 09-27-2007, 12:31 AM

Hello All...I just now received my National Geographic in the mail and I thought that you might wish to see some of the maps and charts that the Society is generating to demonstrate the scope and breadth of this set of problems that we are ALL faced with in the future.

flow....

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/...imate-map.html

flowperson · 09-27-2007, 08:04 PM

Hi All
Here's a realistic op-ed opinion article by Vaclav Havel regarding global warming issues.

flow....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/opinion/27havel.html

flowperson · 10-02-2007, 08:55 PM

The latest news about the changes taking place on the top of the world is now officially startling to even those who are considered to be experts on the issues. What do you think ? I think that if the news is sent back to around 1492 somehow, European royals might get real excited about there being a Northwest passage to the Indies and Asia.

flow....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/sc...ml?ref=science

Tao_Equus · 10-03-2007, 05:57 PM

Nice article link Flow, thx.
In addition here is a piece on how this years record Arctic temperatures are affecting Greenland :
From the air, the evidence of climate change is striking - Independent Online Edition > Climate Change

cyberpi · 10-03-2007, 08:03 PM

Has anyone come to the realization that solar cells are NOT green, and will increase global warming?

wil · 10-03-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

Has anyone come to the realization that solar cells are NOT green, and will increase global warming?

how exactly is that?

I could see their darkness and reflective value a problem vs. soil or foilage, but put on a tar roof I'd say they minimize that...and in the US most electrical plants are coal or oil so they'd be reducing the increased need for more plants...

'splain yoself.

flowperson · 10-04-2007, 01:50 AM

And it depends upon the type of solar systems employed to generate electricity. While most are familiar with passive solar collection for small scale use, the larger facilities in the southwest use technologies employing highly reflective and mirrored, curved surface areas to collect solar energies. This energy is then focused upon vessels where various types of fluids are super heated, which then is channeled or piped to conventional turbine arrays, which then generate electricity to be fed into the grid.

The newest and largest facility near where I live generates enough power to serve 40,000 homes a day and employs liquid sodium in the generation process. It's a totally sealed and closed system that vents no waste heat to the environment, and only employs a few acres of desert environment for solar energy collection arrays and the generating facility. In no way would this be considered more wasteful than a coal fired or natural gas fired generation facility.

It has been speculated that if just 100 sq. miles of desert were employed to house such integrated systems and the related technologies, the entire southwest could be powered each day with the output from this single set of facilities. Instead, the push is on by "you know who" to build and install several more coal-fired systems in N. Nevada and Utah ...UGH !

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