Global warming, unnatural disasters, weather control

[cyberpi]

I'd like to see some discussion of different beliefs and religious perspectives concerning weather. I see some references to weather in some religions, but everyone's eyes are different. I don't want to bias this thread with my interpretations and viewpoints, but I am lamenting with the issue and searching for answers from any religion, belief, spiritual guidance, vision, insight, etc... so I'll just ask some basic questions to stir thoughts:

Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?
Does God cause weather events today? Have some disasters been unnaturally made?
Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?
Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it?
Is Global warming a problem? A concern?
Can global warming be reversed? Should it?
Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with?
If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they?
If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people?
What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?

I'm also looking for a good list of scripture references relating to the subject of weather, natural disasters, and weather control.

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

I'd like to see some discussion of different beliefs and religious perspectives concerning weather. I see some references to weather in some religions, but everyone's eyes are different. I don't want to bias this thread with my interpretations and viewpoints, but I am lamenting with the issue and searching for answers from any religion, belief, spiritual guidance, vision, insight, etc... so I'll just ask some basic questions to stir thoughts:

Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?
Does God cause weather events today? Have some disasters been unnaturally made?
Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?
Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it?
Is Global warming a problem? A concern?
Can global warming be reversed? Should it?
Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with?
If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they?
If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people?
What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?

I'm also looking for a good list of scripture references relating to the subject of weather, natural disasters, and weather control.

So many questions...... and this weather sure is weaving strange patterns. Mighty winds and rain in the UK today, and another strange phenomena is that the apples are still hanging from the tree, even in 80- 90 mph blasts the're still hanging from the tree, while trees themselves fall around them. Maybe the're holding on till the new Adam arrives.

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[chakraman]

this is not a religious perspective, but maybe relevant.
theres seems to be a few scientific weather controlling groups emerging, connected with wilhelm reichs work. james demeo is one and seems to promote a responsible approach to this technology using it in african countries where drought is a problem.

then theres don croft promoting the use to disperse chemtrails from planes apparently used to poison the populus; instigated by reptilian aliens! that they they disperse the chemtrails seems to be true.

james demeos' contention is that don croft is selling this technology to untrained peoples and telling them to leave them pointed at the sky 24/7, also dispersing clouds and causing drought. and that 1 of these devices is capable of altering the weather on a whole continent.

its an interesting subject which stangely appears to be possible and used responsibly could be very beneficial; like i said for drought and even for nuclear fallout cloud dispersion...jase James DeMeo, Saharasia

[chakraman]

SO, YOU WANT TO BUILD A CLOUDBUSTER?

this is a better link for the last post i did...

[Prober]

scalar wave technology (ala Tesla)?

[flowperson]

Right on Prober...since the sixties...eighties once people started to view it as a possibly useful technology and not as G-d's weapons systems. According to a guy named Tom Bearden, the Soviets were way ahead of the west with this stuff until we chose to see the light in the 80's and 90's.

flow....

[wil]

You've asked us for our thoughts...these are mine...

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?

tis a reaction of an amazing combination of events...many of which have inertia

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Does God cause weather events today?

no, not in the tossing lightning bolts, causing floods sense...never has in my book

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Have some disasters been unnaturally made?

intentionally I don't know...I remember a baseball player who died in a plane crash headed for some charitable work...stories abounded that our guys went into a hurricane and caused it to shift course, missing the US and hitting south america...I doubt it as if we had that power we didn't do so hot last year...

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?

I think so...just don't think appears to have that much faith.

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it?

to a degree...of course it affects the those multitudes of events offsets the inertia, we don't have the wherewithal to calculate the long term consequences

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Is Global warming a problem? A concern?

yup, world economies and populations will be affected

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Can global warming be reversed? Should it?

not in our lifetime...inertia...I think most of what we are seeing today stems from events a century or more ago...when I was in elementary school they told us we were entering the next ice age...could be we've held that at bay

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with?

no they aren't ...signs that is

Originally Posted by cyberpi

If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they?

maybe, but again we don't know the consequences

Originally Posted by cyberpi

If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people?

yes...but lawyers would do well as will lobbyists.

Originally Posted by cyberpi

What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?

We, the collective we when charted, are G-d's will, personal hiccups and stumbles, but the whole is moving forward...

[path_of_one]

Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?

Nature

Does God cause weather events today? Have some disasters been unnaturally made?

No. Depends on what you think is unnatural. If you mean supernaturally made, nothing more than localized patterns, and not due to God as much as people working with nature itself. I find global warming to be unnatural (in that it is human-accelerated at this point, and not running the normal course), but not of supernatural origin.

Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?

Maybe, at least locally. But I don't think it is so much that prayer to God causes God to change the weather. I think it is more that nature responds to our wills. At least, I've enough "coincidences" with shamans and such to think there's more going on there than the science allows for. But then, I think nature, including wind and such, is alive in a way on its own. I don't think the non-living parts of nature are really mechanical- we just don't understand that kind of life.

Should it? I think not. Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. Human planning horizons are too short and self-centered to generally be good bases for something like this.

Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it?

I don't know through scientific- though there is the whole cloud-seeding thing. I think weather control through prayer or magic or anything like that is a response of nature to our own wills. And no, I don't think we should mess with it.

Is Global warming a problem? A concern?

Yes. And what people fail to realize is that it isn't just about warming. It's about extreme weather patterns. This winter is the coldest of the last thirty years in my area; this summer is projected to be the hottest. It's the problems of extremes and unpredictability.

Can global warming be reversed? Should it?

No, but we could slow down the process by halting a lot of our short-sighted practices that are messing up the normal course of things. Warming and cooling trends naturally happen, but it is our choices that have accelerated this one, making it more dangerous. Yes, we should avoid impacting natural weather patterns as much as possible.

Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with?

I don't think so. It isn't like changing weather patterns have never happened before. It is part of the natural rhythms of earth.

If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they?

No. How would they die out if they didn't move and hit land? Look at Jupiter and it's storms, and you'll see what I mean. They go for decades because there is no land to hit to dissipate them. People need to create lifestyles that, as much as possible, work with nature rather than trying to control it. And we have to realize that no matter how awful the consequences of volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes... they are disasters to us but not to earth. The earth depends on them for renewal and continuity of life. An unchanging planet is a dead planet.

If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people?

Probably. Seems like everything else we've learned to control has led to political nightmares.

What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?

Leave it alone.

I'm also looking for a good list of scripture references relating to the subject of weather, natural disasters, and weather control.

The scriptures about the flood in Genesis comes to mind, and the passages about feeling God in thunderstorms (OT), and that the rain falls on the just and unjust alike (NT).

All the weather control stuff I know about comes from either shamanic religions or modern magic.

[Francis king]

cyberpi...Is weather solely God or nature's responsibility?

well, if god is everything, and controls everything, it makes sense the same should apply to the weather...

Does God cause weather events today?
... yes, currently he's using the tornado's floods and and hurricanes button a lot, it seems

Have some disasters been unnaturally made?
...yes

Can weather be controlled through faith and prayer? Should it?, yes, and yes

Can weather be controlled through scientific or man made means? Should it? yes, and yes

Is Global warming a problem? A concern? yes

Can global warming be reversed? Should it? yes and yes

Are changing weather patterns a sign of the times (apocalypse) and something to be merely witnessed, or is it something to be dealt with? no, and yes

If hurricanes and typhoons could be stopped in their tracks, should they? yes

If man learns weather control on a serious scale, would it cause a political nightmare between groups of people? yes

What is God's will, or an individual's belief of God's will on the subject of weather control?

gods can do it, and so can some saints/holy men...

I'm also looking for a good list of scripture references relating to the subject of weather, natural disasters, and weather control.

...I think that the only reason we collectively spend billions on the space race and trying to colonise other planets is because our scientists know that we have messed this world up beyond repair, and there's no going back... we have the human, intellectual and financial resources to manufacture and use sustainable energies, right across the board, but by the time our current heads of state have served their tenures and gone on the lecture circuit there's another fresh gang sucking up to the conglomerates, and nothing will ever change until we value ppl over money and power, and until we learn that we really are responsible for the next generations welfare... we are not custodians of the planet, we are pimps, we drug it up, poison it, and turn it out, exploit it, and we don't give a damn... yes, I have energy efficient lightbulbs, and no doubt so do my neighbours, but it's not gonna stop the sea level from rising the supposed 50 metres it is supposed to over the next 25 years... yes, I recycle my papers, and my tins, and my glass, but what use is that when we have such cheap flights and we are still so reliant on fossil fuels, coal, coke, gas, oil, etc? what use are sustainable technologies when ppl don't have health care and education and democracy..? its all short term gains, and no real thought for the future, but hey, by the time any real problems kick in I'll be dead, so should I even care?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Francis king

but it's not gonna stop the sea level from rising the supposed 50 metres

I don't know where everyone does there math to figure this kind of stuff out and spread it as fact. Multiply current square miles of ice times the depth in feet and divide it into the square miles of ocean...Seems to me if it all melts you can't get 4 meters...

[Francis king]

lol, yeah, I think I meant five, not fifty...

[wil]

global warming report....the latest coming out...

[Prober]

Do you think G-d might have a surprise waiting for us under the icecaps?

[Zagreus]

Originally Posted by Prober

Do you think G-d might have a surprise waiting for us under the icecaps?

Yes. The Imperishable, Sacred Land

[Francis king]

lol, not atlantis again...