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Quahom1 · 02-18-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lecter

The Old Testament makes the same statement about Solomon, is he also God?

Proverbs 8:22-31

22"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;

23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.

... and so on till verse 31.

Also the translation of this word is different that the word used in the Old Testament by god.

The phrase "I am" of Exodus is translated as HO ON. However, the words of Jesus, "I am", have been given to us in Greek as EGO EIMI. So the writers clearly weren't trying to indicate Jesus was claiming the same as god.
A correct translation of such a verse would be:

"Jesus said to them, 'I tell you, I existed before Abraham was born' "

By the way the same word is used in the same Gospel to refer to someone else:

John 9:9
"Some said, This is he (the beggar): others [said], He is like him: [but] he said,I AM [he]."

Does this mean by the Christian's logic that the beggar is also God? of course not.

Really? Jesus also said in scripture, "What so ever you do to these, the least of by brethren, You do unto Me.

Now what does that mean?

mee · 02-18-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Really? Jesus also said in scripture, "What so ever you do to these, the least of by brethren, You do unto Me.

Now what does that mean?

how we treat christs brothers , would be as if we were treating Jesus the same way . because christs brothers represent him . and they are doing what Jesus wants them too.

so it is a bit like when Jesus was on the earth , how did people treat Jesus , did they recognise him as representing the MOST HIGH or did they dismiss what Jesus said and did.

how we treat christs brothers has a bearing on how we will be treated when Jesus puts us on the rightside as sheep ,or the left side as Goats.

so in the time that we live in NOW ,it is the time to be treating christs brothers in a good way ,and to be listening and going along with them ,and to be helping them in what ever way we can .

and that will mean that it is as if we are helping Jesus himself .

because after all christs brothers are doing what Jesus asked of them . matthew 28-19-20 matthew 24;14

so helping christs brothers is the thing to be doing , as it is going along with the purpose of God

cyberpi · 02-18-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

I am a follower of Christ. Those that follow Christ are my brothers, as we are all redeemed by the blood of Christ; therefore, we are all part of God's kingdom. I do not worship my brother, but i worship Christ, because he is my Lord God and Saviour--that is the distinction.

I will to do our Father's will, and to thus be the brother of Jesus. In the wisdom given by Jesus, do NOT say within yourselves that you have Jesus to your Father: for I say to you that God is able of mere stones to raise up children unto Jesus.

BlaznFattyz · 02-18-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

I will to do our Father's will

We are to do the will of the father, that is to love God and to love each other, and from that we do the will of God. But Christ also said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me. And having a relationship with Christ is having a relationship with the Father. God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus, in order that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Quahom1 · 02-18-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

how we treat christs brothers , would be as if we were treating Jesus the same way . because christs brothers represent him . and they are doing what Jesus wants them too.

so it is a bit like when Jesus was on the earth , how did people treat Jesus , did they recognise him as representing the MOST HIGH or did they dismiss what Jesus said and did.

how we treat christs brothers has a bearing on how we will be treated when Jesus puts us on the rightside as sheep ,or the left side as Goats.

so in the time that we live in NOW ,it is the time to be treating christs brothers in a good way ,and to be listening and going along with them ,and to be helping them in what ever way we can .

and that will mean that it is as if we are helping Jesus himself .

because after all christs brothers are doing what Jesus asked of them . matthew 28-19-20 matthew 24;14

so helping christs brothers is the thing to be doing , as it is going along with the purpose of God

Wrong answer.

All of mankind are the beneficiary of the sacrifice and gift that Jesus offered. To Jesus all of mankind is his bretheren, not just those who call themselves Christians. Therefore, each human being we encounter, is to be treated as one would treat Jesus.

cyberpi · 02-18-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

We are to do the will of the father, that is to love God and to love each other, and from that we do the will of God. But Christ also said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me. And having a relationship with Christ is having a relationship with the Father. God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus, in order that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

If you were Jesus' children, you would do the works of Jesus. (wisdom in John 8:39)

Quahom1 · 02-18-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

If you were Jesus' children, you would do the works of Jesus. (wisdom in John 8:39)

Easy for him to say, he got to spend 24/7 with Jesus. We have to deal with handed down stories, and trust and hope in what is not seen, and what is not yet to be. If we can do that, then our faith is 100 times stronger than John's.

cyberpi · 02-19-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Easy for him to say, he got to spend 24/7 with Jesus. We have to deal with handed down stories, and trust and hope in what is not seen, and what is not yet to be. If we can do that, then our faith is 100 times stronger than John's.

So then according to you, how many times stronger is your faith than Jesus, who knew and saw God?

wil · 02-19-2008, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Easy for him to say, he got to spend 24/7 with Jesus. We have to deal with handed down stories, and trust and hope in what is not seen, and what is not yet to be. If we can do that, then our faith is 100 times stronger than John's.

Although for centuries attributed to John, seems most bible scholars don't believe that John wrote John, nor that an eyewitness wrote it. Appears the author(s) also dealt with handed down stories.

BlaznFattyz · 02-19-2008, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

Although for centuries attributed to John, seems most bible scholars don't believe that John wrote John, nor that an eyewitness wrote it. Appears the author(s) also dealt with handed down stories.

I got this off the internet...

Who wrote the gospel of John?

According to scholars, the gospel of John was written by the beloved disciple (John 13:23, 19:26) of Jesus named John. John was the brother of James (Matthew 17:1), and the son of Zebedee (Mark 1:19-20). John was part of three men who made up the inner circle of companions of Jesus (Mark 5:37; 14:33).

mee · 02-19-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Wrong answer.

All of mankind are the beneficiary of the sacrifice and gift that Jesus offered. To Jesus all of mankind is his bretheren, not just those who call themselves Christians. Therefore, each human being we encounter, is to be treated as one would treat Jesus.

yes , all mankind have the chance to exersize faith.

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. 18 He that exercises faith in him is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God. JOHN 3;16-18

"Brother" is also applied to those united in a general cause and having similar aims and purposes.

In the Christian congregation members enjoy a common spiritual relationship analogous to that of brothers. Jesus called his disciples brothers. (Mt 25:40; 28:10; Joh 20:17)

hershK · 02-23-2008, 08:23 PM

I always love to quote Hebrews, regarding Christs divinity.

Hebrew 1 (4)Being made much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance onbtained a more excellent name than they. (5)For unto which the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (6)And agan, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

(13)But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Jesus is no angel! lol He's far above, them, and God commanded even the angels to worship him.

wil · 02-23-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

I got this off the internet...

Who wrote the gospel of John?

According to scholars, the gospel of John was written by the beloved disciple (John 13:23, 19:26) of Jesus named John. John was the brother of James (Matthew 17:1), and the son of Zebedee (Mark 1:19-20). John was part of three men who made up the inner circle of companions of Jesus (Mark 5:37; 14:33).

Namaste Blazn,

Was that the only reference you found? Which reference from the net was that? Surely if you searched you found that there are two ends of that spectrum...

Quahom1 · 02-27-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

So then according to you, how many times stronger is your faith than Jesus, who knew and saw God?

Jesus didn't have faith... he had knowledge.

islamis4u · 07-30-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am." (John 14:6-28)

Where in this Jesus (PBUH) Claimed to be God? i dun't see any????