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08-04-2005, 03:18 AM
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What was the question?
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Re: Genetic Engineering
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Originally Posted by juantoo3
Yep, been saying that all along. If base pairs were dollars, I'd take 3% anytime, it would be like winning a huge lotto. 3% of 3 billion, hmmm, what is that, like, 90 million I think. Eh, my trusty dusty old calculator doesn't go that high, but it tells me 3% of 3000 is 90, so I think my guess is right.
Something else I found telling, is that it took almost 1100 tries for one success. Now, I haven't looked into the normal attrition rate, but it seems to me cats and dogs are pretty fertile when the time is right. And when the time is not right, they aren't really interested. So, I'm not sure what to make of it...
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Guess my question would be, where are the 1100 human eggs going to come from?
v/r
Q
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08-04-2005, 03:56 AM
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Re: Genetic Engineering
Kindest Regards, Q!
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Guess my question would be, where are the 1100 human eggs going to come from?
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Um, yeah. Kinda makes you wonder how they know it is not practical yet to do humans and apes?...figure somebody somewhere has already been trying?
I edited some of the material. Don't recall offhand if I left the stuff in that said this guy in S. Korea already cloned stem cells. The article is worth the read for the stuff I left out. I kept the stuff here I thought was applicable to other points in the conversation so far, like Dolly.
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08-04-2005, 04:55 AM
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What was the question?
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Re: Genetic Engineering
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Originally Posted by juantoo3
Kindest Regards, Q!
Um, yeah. Kinda makes you wonder how they know it is not practical yet to do humans and apes?...figure somebody somewhere has already been trying?
I edited some of the material. Don't recall offhand if I left the stuff in that said this guy in S. Korea already cloned stem cells. The article is worth the read for the stuff I left out. I kept the stuff here I thought was applicable to other points in the conversation so far, like Dolly.
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"Primates" are only "gifted" with about 200,000 eggs (for life). Which means to harvest the eggs would conceivably render the "female" sterile. In human terms, who is going to willingly give up their "right" to bear children...for the sake of science, or the "State"?
One to think hard on...
v/r
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08-04-2005, 04:20 PM
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Re: Genetic Engineering
While we're thinking about this, I'm gonna try to put up a picture of Alba the rabbit and a link to Kac's site.
http://www.ekac.org/gfpbunny.html#gfpbunnyanchor

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08-04-2005, 06:28 PM
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somewhere in time
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Re: Genetic Engineering
Pandora's box was opened for cloning. How can we lock it ?
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08-04-2005, 06:41 PM
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Re: Genetic Engineering
Short of a major catastrophe setting humanity back several hundred (or thousand!) years, I don't see this Pandora's box being locked.
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08-04-2005, 07:01 PM
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somewhere in time
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Re: Genetic Engineering
Scientists have to find a solution to restrain those experiments. I really don't want to live among dinosaurs.
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08-05-2005, 05:30 AM
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Re: Genetic Engineering
OK, I was thinking war or natural disaster, but your point is a very good one as well.
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08-05-2005, 05:52 AM
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at peace
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Re: Genetic Engineering
Hi, all--and peace,
I am asking myself why that picture of Alba somehow makes me want to cry?
Should I?
Perhaps the bunny served a great purpose, and lives on somehow.
But the tears still come....
InPeace,
InLove
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08-10-2005, 06:46 PM
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Re: Genetic Engineering
Kindest Regards, InLove!
I am not sure I fully follow what you are saying. Is Alba dead? The last I heard she was alive and doing very well, although she is kept in a rather strict environment to prevent escape into the wild. She is doted upon as well as any pet could hope. That was one of the reasons Mr. Kac had her created, is as a pet for his daughter. The website goes over all of this in detail.
Of course, it has been a couple of years since last I checked, and in fairness I don't know the average lifespan of a domestic rabbit. But provided she is capable of living well for 5 years or so, she should be just fine.
And I do not know why, but the picture of her has never made me sad. I have always, from the first moment I saw, thought she was gorgeous. For a rabbit, she is beautiful beyond belief in my eyes. I have never viewed her as some kind of "franken-rabbit."
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