Genesis 3:3-4

[Faithfulservant]

I would like to add a little twist on this.. My mother has a very close walk with Jesus Christ and everytime she receives a gem from the bible she calls me up very excited to tell me.. this is one of them.

When we read the sin committed by Adam and Eve and the curse from it...The curse to man was to toil in thorns for food and eventual death.

When Jesus was carrying the cross with a crown of thorns on His head (interesting to me that it was thorns) to His death.. He was atoning for the sins of the world which started with Adam and Eve. What did His death also bring.. The promise of eternal life. So His death was that which broke the curse that was laid upon man. We no longer live under the curse. Our sins are forgiven through Jesus Christ.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I would like to add a little twist on this.. My mother has a very close walk with Jesus Christ and everytime she receives a gem from the bible she calls me up very excited to tell me.. this is one of them.

When we read the sin committed by Adam and Eve and the curse from it...The curse to man was to toil in thorns for food and eventual death.

When Jesus was carrying the cross with a crown of thorns on His head (interesting to me that it was thorns) to His death.. He was atoning for the sins of the world which started with Adam and Eve. What did His death also bring.. The promise of eternal life. So His death was that which broke the curse that was laid upon man. We no longer live under the curse. Our sins are forgiven through Jesus Christ.

I could point out that the death of Jesus resulted in his burial, from which the hope and expectation of eternal life sprouted for man...buuuutttttt, I won't.

v/r

Q

[Curios Mike]

cute!

[truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

In all you do - do for the Glory of God... That is first and foremost and I suspect if we followed that command, there wouldn't be many problems with us.

I think knowledge becomes evil when we try to use it to hide or distance, or disassociate ourselves from God, might be more accurate.

v/r

Q

Knowledge becomes evil when we try to hide from God. What we do with the knowledge as we are hiding will further distance us from God. The end result is disassociation, which is sin, which shall result in death.....

[truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

So His death was that which broke the curse that was laid upon man. We no longer live under the curse.

Genesis 3 (NIV)

16To the woman he said,
I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.
17To Adam he said,
Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
18It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
19By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.

Sounds like the curse is still going on today. I don't know if God cursed Adam as much as He cursed the ground. And Eve was cursed with desire for her (a? ) husband and pain in childbearing.

[Faithfulservant]

I certainly do not have to toil in thorns and thistles for my food... and after bearing 2 children with the epidural I certainly didnt feel pain. :P as for desire............... well Im not touching that one.

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, FaithfulServant!

Welcome back, you have been missed!

[truthseeker]

LOL!!!!

Indeed. Welcome Back, FaithfulServant!

[InLove]

Hi Faithfulservant, Peace-- Nice to have you back.

I am interested in what you say about us no longer living under the curse:

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

So His death was that which broke the curse that was laid upon man. We no longer live under the curse. Our sins are forgiven through Jesus Christ.

I know that we are no longer subject to the law of sin and death, but aren't there many in the world (including believers in Christ) who do still have to scratch and labor and toil, and don't have access to modern medicine. Isn't the earth still groaning in anticipation of restoration?

I guess I am just looking for a little more clarity on the subject.

Glad you are here--I missed you.

InPeace,
InLove

[InLove]

Hi, Peace--

Faithfulservant and All,

I did find the following from Galations 3:10-14:

"All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.' Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, 'The righteous will live by faith.' The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, 'The man who does these things will live by them.' Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.' He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit" (NIV).

It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how many times one has studied Scripture, there always seems to be something "new" to find. I love that part of the Spiritual journey. I guess I have always concentrated on certain words like "Law" and "Spirit" without really catching the term "curse".

But I still wonder how to resolve this with the fact that there are Christian believers who labor among thorns and even go hungry and believing women who still bear children in pain, and obviously the earth is not restored, etc.

I have some ideas, but would still like to hear yours--

InPeace,
InLove

[Faithfulservant]

I really wish my mother posted on this forum so she could accurately tell it.. I feel Im doing a poor job of explaining it..

Here goes... Im in the world but Im not of the world Im in the world to experience the world.. in all things I give glory to God.. every trial and tribulation I go through is not because of the curse its because Im here to glorify God. When Man was cursed they had to endure everything alone.. When Jesus died resurrected and ascended to heaven He left the Spirit to help us. Remember that it was said that when I am weak I am strong through Christ who strengthens me. It was also said in Isaiah.. Do not fear I AM your God do not despair I AM with you.. I will help you I will strengthen you with my Righteous Right Hand who we know is Jesus Christ. How often do we have to call on God to help us and how often does He put things in our path so that we will do that very thing?

Many are martyred for the faith... yet they have a special place in heaven for that fact alone.. Jesus suffered for us so that we do not have to suffer alone.. he knows everything we go through personally.. by His stripes we are healed... because with every stripe layed on His flesh He suffered everything we suffer... Its no longer a curse because the curse doesnt follow us eternally for we have no death... and it doesnt follow us into heaven.

Im interested in your take on this InLove... I will no longer say that we are cursed to anyone because I feel strongly convicted that we are not.
Something else just came to me.. we are spirit beings.. housed in a body of flesh that is only temporary.. one moment in the eye of God. When I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit I was born truly... everything that was before that happened to my flesh was of the world everything that happens to my body since that is of the world...my body will die but my spirit will live on forever.

[truthseeker]

Praise God.

Profound.

[InLove]

Hi, and Peace--

Your mother would probably say that you are doing just fine with your explanations, Faithfulservant.

I can't help but also think of those believers who are afflicted with disabilities and illnesses--the passage that immediatedly comes to mind (besides Job, of course) is summed up in John 9:1-3:

"His disciples asked him, 'Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' 'Neither [the sins of him or his parents]' said Jesus, 'but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life" (NIV--brackets mine)

While I realize that this verse addresses other issues as well, and perhaps first, I think it can also apply to what we have been discussing.

And, I have more...but I will leave this much for now.

Anyway, thanks for your input, FF and everyone--this is proving to be quite helpful to me.

InPeace,
InLove

[Mathghamhain]

Adam comes from the Hebrew word for Earth but also means man(as in mankind), Eve comes from a Hebrew word meaning life so it could mean that through life they learned that they were nude & etc.

The snake has always been a symbol of knowledge. The Doctors symbol is 2 snakes wraped around a staff.

2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

2:9 the Tree of Life & the Tree of Knowledge comes from when it was a animism religion, most tribal cultures has a Tree of Life & in 1:26 God is talking to another God ???

1:26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth'.

Mathghamhain

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Mathghamhain

1:26 God is talking to another God ???

1:26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth'.

Mathghamhain

The Word (Christ as we know it) speaking creation...