Genesis 3:3-4

[truthseeker]

Interesting view, Quahom.

Wasn't it that Eve ate the fruit and then just gave a piece to Adam? Did he know from which tree he was eating (unless, of course, the 'fruit' that the tree bore was it's namesake)? And if you are without knowledge, how do you know you are recieving it?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by truthseeker

Interesting view, Quahom.

Wasn't it that Eve ate the fruit and then just gave a piece to Adam? Did he know from which tree he was eating (unless, of course, the 'fruit' that the tree bore was it's namesake)? And if you are without knowledge, how do you know you are recieving it?

Well, one has to take it on "faith", that if Adam was quick enough to name every animal on earth as God brought them to him, and spry enough to know that Eve was "flesh of his flesh, bone of his bone", He most likely knew what Eve had done, and deliberately chose to fall from grace, by accepting the fruit from her hand. He did not (in my opinion), want to abandon his own flesh and blood to the wilds of the unknown. Or, perhaps he thought God would destroy part of him, for the error she commited, and banked on hedging bets by standing with her. I also presume, that as intelligent as the two were, he didn't have much time to decide actions, and had no past history for reference to assist in his decision.

Eve's sin was giving in to desire (sound familiar?). Adams' was giving in to idolatry I think. He placed his own flesh and blood above the mandates of God. His second sin, was placing blame on someone else, for his own actions (probably a kneejerk manuever), none the less, Adam commited two sins. However, Adam in his initial actions, acted in a way that I think pleased God, and gave pause to the Creator. He used himself and his relationship with God to protect his woman.

I'm sure much of his afterthoughts consisted of "what the hell have I just done?". (Again this is my take on things, and NO OFFENSE to women intended).

But God did give us a warning/promise. Man will rule over Woman, and woman will desire after man...I don't think that meant sex was going to be heavenly...(though it is)...

It is happening just as God promised/warned.

In the NT, God gave us new orders. Really they are old orders, however He re-emmphasised them in the NT. Submit to eachtother, and respect the roles that eachother have.

We each want our cake, but we don't want to give the other their due.

So today we have "kings of the castle", with empty halls, and "Queens of Home and Hearth", with no king for a protector/provider...tough stuff to deal with.

Before someone goes crazy about my post. There are women that can do it all, and men that can forego the family life...granted. But that is not the majority of men and women. It isn't the rule, rather it is the exception to the rule.

Fiercely independent souls are around, but rare. Mostly broken hearts and broken spirits abound, due to broken vows.

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Q

[InLove]

Hi, Peace--

Ya know what, Q? That was beautiful. Have you ever considered the pulpit? I wish I could hear more stuff like that from those who speak from there.

InPeace,
InLove

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by InLove

Hi, Peace--

Ya know what, Q? That was beautiful. Have you ever considered the pulpit? I wish I could hear more stuff like that from those who speak from there.

InPeace,
InLove

Hmmm, if the church allowed me to keep my wife, I'd consider it.

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[InLove]

Maybe you should talk to them about that! You do have a way with words....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by InLove

Maybe you should talk to them about that! You do have a way with words....

Yep, I can keep my wife...but she has to be dead. Don't think I'll be speaking from a raised dias anytime soon....

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Actually I believe this is where God later came up with "if you love someone else greater than me, you're setting yourself up for a hard fall", type message in the Bible.

Adam knew several things:

1. Eve was lost to death
2. Eve was now alone
3. Adam loved Eve and God, but
4. Adam chose Eve over God
5. God knew Adam would
6. God knew the two would learn the lessons together, in coming back to Him

Adam was not deceived at all. He knew what he was about to do, knew what he was about to give up, yet he did it anyway.

true ,adam was not decieved at allbut he put his wifes thoughts ahead of Gods thoughts, and the bible does say to us that we should love Jehovah God with our whole heart ,so he knew the rule was dont eat the fruit from that tree, but he listenedto eve instead. plus , because she was still alive at that point in time he must have thought ,well she hasnt died i will have some to .

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

true ,adam was not decieved at allbut he put his wifes thoughts ahead of Gods thoughts, and the bible does say to us that we should love Jehovah God with our whole heart ,so he knew the rule was dont eat the fruit from that tree, but he listenedto eve instead. plus , because she was still alive at that point in time he must have thought ,well she hasnt died i will have some to .

Adam knew Eve was dead. He chose to die with her. Adam wasn't thinking he or she got away with anything, Mee. He chose to become "mortal".

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Adam knew Eve was dead. He chose to die with her. Adam wasn't thinking he or she got away with anything, Mee. He chose to become "mortal".

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yes, he choose to go against devine rulership eve was thoroughlydecieved 1timothy2;14 since the time of adam and eve.satan has continued to decieve people. he is in fact,misleading the entire inhabited earth....rev 12;9 his tactics have not changed. thou he no longer employs a litral serpent,he continues to conceal his identity

[truthseeker]

So is the fruit stil detrimental to mankind today?

[Curios Mike]

James 1:13-15
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
KJV

I think this scripture applies in the fall of man. Maybe it doesnt realy mater what the fruit was, maybe the fruit itself was sin, or maybe it was metaphor for sex, becuase they relized after they ate the fruit they where naked.... right after they where kicked out of the garden they had kids. What do we call it today when someone loses their virginity... a loss of inoccences? Maybe once she got pregnant it stop there imortality(that is if they where immortal meaning they were not suppost to die). Think about it this way... If they never died and kept having kids, and their kids kept having kids. How long would it take to over populate the world?

[truthseeker]

I think the fruit was knowledge. The whole scenario is a metaphor (if I'm using the word correctly).

I think Adam and Eve were made to procreate, as well as other things.

I could be wrong, but Genesis doesn't tell me that Adam and Eve were the only people to inhabit the earth, it just tells of the creation of Adam and Eve. She ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The fruit of apple trees are apples. The fruit of peach trees are peaches. So I assume that the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil are knowledge, which is good and/or evil. What is good and what is evil begins with Adam and Eve covering themselves and hiding from God. Of course, if they are now keeping things from God, then they have to go out on their own and figure out things because God has told them one thing and now they are beginning to question it.

So is the 'fruit' still detrimental to mankind today?????
I like the scripture from James that you choose.

[Curios Mike]

So is the 'fruit' still detrimental to mankind today?????

You have a good point, if its hiding from God, then yes it is! Becuase we still try to hide things from God even today.

[truthseeker]

Ahhhhh!

Thank you for helping me to sort that out, Curios Mike.

The knowledge becomes evil when I try to hide it from God. When I am not hiding it from God, then the knowledge can be used for God's will....

Unless I'm moving too far away from the concept of the scripture. Does anyone care to correct me? I welcome the ideas....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by truthseeker

Ahhhhh!

Thank you for helping me to sort that out, Curios Mike.

The knowledge becomes evil when I try to hide it from God. When I am not hiding it from God, then the knowledge can be used for God's will....

Unless I'm moving too far away from the concept of the scripture. Does anyone care to correct me? I welcome the ideas....

In all you do - do for the Glory of God... That is first and foremost and I suspect if we followed that command, there wouldn't be many problems with us.

I think knowledge becomes evil when we try to use it to hide or distance, or disassociate ourselves from God, might be more accurate.

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