Fundamentalism song

[smkolins]

Originally Posted by Awaiting_the_fifth

[Devils_Advocate]So tell me, one and all, why not fundamentalism, why not great religious wars to the death, sacrifice a generation of suffering for the perfect future of all mankind.

[/Devils_Advocate]

Because fundamentalism fundamentally limits answers to pre-existing literal answers, and one must and can only explore truth for oneself which cannot really be anything but an organic exploration for oneself, arriving at various emphasized topics or angles at any particular time.

Or, put another way, literalism is not the truth. Even this statement has it's limits. :-)

[smkolins]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Okay, this thread is becoming a thread about the Baha'i faith, and it really shouldn't be - can we please try and keep to the discussion topic, rather than rationalise any particular religious position?

Now why wasn't that objection raised when the question was asked rather than when it was answered? isn't there an inherent unfairness there? And it isn't enough that others spoke of their understanding - my contribution was authentic, not a duplication. Indeed was it not the very individual speculation that has been so much harped upon as lacking in Baha'i participation? So this is the point where the thread gets jumped on?

And is there anything more on topic to a thread about fundamentalism than a non-fundamentalist answer to a question?

[Quahom1]

Christopher Robin and I walked alone
Under branches lit up by the moon
Posing our questions to Owl and Eeyore
As our days disappeared far too soon
But I've wandered much further today than I should
And I can't seem to find my way back to the woods

So help me if you can, I've got to get
Back to the house at Pooh Corner by one
You'd be surprised, there's so much to be done
Count all the bees in the hive
Chase all the clouds from the sky
Back to the days of Christopher Robin
...And Pooh.



Winnie the Pooh doesn't know what to do
Got a honey jar stuck on his nose
He came to me asking help and advice
And from here no one knows where he goes
So I sent him to ask of the Owl if he's there
How to loosen a jar from the nose of a bear



So help me if you can I've got to get
Back to the house at Pooh Corner by one
You'd be surprised there's so much to be done
Count all the bees in the hive
Chase all the clouds from the sky
Back to the days of Christopher Robin
,,,And Pooh



So help me if you can I've got to get
Back to the house at Pooh Corner by one
You'd be surprised there's so much to be done
Count all the bees in the hive
Chase all the clouds from the sky
Back to the days of Christopher Robin
Back to the ways of Christopher Robin
Back to the ways of Pooh




There is always more pressing matters, and always another option...

thanks Brian for the insight.

v/r

Q

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by smkolins

Now why wasn't that objection raised when the question was asked rather than when it was answered? isn't there an inherent unfairness there?

I'm not able to read every post as it's posted - but if something perhaps requires attention, I make a point of raising it once I'm finally aware of it.

There was no intent to warn any individual against posting - just a polite request to move the discussion forward.

[juantoo3]

Anyone here ever read "The Tao of Pooh" or "The Te of Piglet?"

[InLove]

Originally Posted by wil

Exploration is the key to innerspace, now if we could only get the budget of NASA....

Well, Brian, really--I've got to hand it to you. Once again, a meaningful conversation in which any brave soul may participate.

By the way, wil, welcome to CR. Look forward to hearing from you again.

For now, I will remember the days of Christopher Robin and Pooh (even if I don't remember them--I remember the song).

Many Smiles and Much Love,
InLove

[juantoo3]

It's so nice to see you around, InLove!

[InLove]

Hey Juan--

Now, I know this has nothing do to with Christopher Robin or Pooh (or does it?). One of my grandsons is in Naples, and God knows that I am so tired of hurricanes. So since you are from the great state of Florida, what do you think about all these storms (and this is way off the subject, I guess---I dunno--fundamentalism, Winnie-the-Pooh, even Star Wars, maybe, but....

How are you in Florida, Juan?

(May Wilma register less than one--and lift up all those when it was more....)

I no longer dream of living on the coast....back to the days of ....woods and mountains where Pooh-bears find honey in the trees. No more toes in the sand. Just can't dream of that again...<sigh>.

InPeace,
InLove

[smkolins]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Anyone here ever read "The Tao of Pooh" or "The Te of Piglet?"

Yes, I've read both. I like both for different reasons. I identify more with Piglet, if I may say so.

[Quahom1]

Guess I didn't make my point.

This is us, ultimately...



We are so different, each of us, but so much the same. And we all need eachother...badly.

That is mankind in a snapshot.

v/r

Q

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Anyone here ever read "The Tao of Pooh" or "The Te of Piglet?"

Namaste Juan,

yes, i've read them both.

i confess that i was not favorably disposed towards them. i recall in several places i exclaimed, outloud "no, this isn't correct!"

have you had a chance to read them? if so, what did you think?

metta,

~v

[Vajradhara]

dunno if this is appropos for the thread... but here it is:

Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown, and things seem hard or tough.
and people are stupid, obnoxious or daft, and you feel that you've had quite enouuuuuuuuugh...

Just remember that your standing on a planet that's evolving,
and revolving at nine hundred miles an hour...
That's orbiting at ninety miles a second, so it's reckoned,
the sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
are moving at a million miles a day.
in an outer spiral-arm at forty thousand miles an hour
of the galaxy we call the Milky Way.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars,
it's a hundred thousand lightyears side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand lightyears thick,
but out by us it's just three thousand lightyears wide.
We're thirty thousand lightyears from galactic central point,
we go 'round every two hundred million years.
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions,
in this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
in all of the directions it can whiz.
As fast as it can go, that's the speed of light you know;
twelve million miles a minute, that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember when your feeling very small and insecure,
how amazingly unlikely is your birth,
and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'cause there's bugger-all down here on earth!



metta,

~v

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Vaj!

Thank you for the reply!

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste Juan,

yes, i've read them both.

i confess that i was not favorably disposed towards them. i recall in several places i exclaimed, outloud "no, this isn't correct!"

have you had a chance to read them? if so, what did you think?

Yes, I have read them both, although it has been quite some time. They should still be in my bookshelf somewhere. I only vaguely recall "pooh" being about doing nothing and letting things take care of themselves and "piglet" about "staying small," which I took to mean staying humble and that sort of thing.

They seemed sincere, but what I consider wishful thinking. I was not sure what to make of them. Which is why I asked the question, to get other's opinions. Thank you for yours!

P.S. I like the poem!

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, InLove!

Originally Posted by InLove

Now, I know this has nothing do to with Christopher Robin or Pooh (or does it?). One of my grandsons is in Naples, and God knows that I am so tired of hurricanes. So since you are from the great state of Florida, what do you think about all these storms (and this is way off the subject, I guess---I dunno--fundamentalism, Winnie-the-Pooh, even Star Wars, maybe, but....

How are you in Florida, Juan?

(May Wilma register less than one--and lift up all those when it was more....)

I no longer dream of living on the coast....back to the days of ....woods and mountains where Pooh-bears find honey in the trees. No more toes in the sand. Just can't dream of that again...<sigh>.

I do hope your grandson and the rest of your family are OK after this newest storm. I think it caught a lot of people off guard. I hear people in the Keys didn't evacuate because it was forecast to be a category 1 or so. It hit as a category 3, and after 4 feet or so of flood water, I think those that stayed in the islands have second thoughts now. Thankfully there was not a lot of lives lost this time around here. Can't speak for Cozumel, I imagine they got hit terribly hard.

We just got a little rain, and a bit of a blustery day (there's Pooh!). The shock will be tonight. Last night the overnight temp was in the 70's. Tonight will be upper 30's. Coldest October night I recall since I've been in Fla. And such a drastic change in a short time! They are forecasting Wilma to combine with Alpha (23rd named storm, new record!) and a third storm front coming from the west to combine and create a super Nor'Easter for the New England states! How's that for freaky weather?

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Vaj!

Thank you for the reply!

Yes, I have read them both, although it has been quite some time. They should still be in my bookshelf somewhere. I only vaguely recall "pooh" being about doing nothing and letting things take care of themselves and "piglet" about "staying small," which I took to mean staying humble and that sort of thing.

They seemed sincere, but what I consider wishful thinking. I was not sure what to make of them. Which is why I asked the question, to get other's opinions. Thank you for yours!

P.S. I like the poem!

Namaste Juan,

the pooh character is the analogy of the "uncarved block". in traditional Taoist symbolism, this is indicative of the quality of potential yet realized, however, that is turned to a different end in the Alchemical schools. perhaps not germane to the conversation at hand.

Te, piglet, means "Virtue" thus, Tao Te Ching is, transliterated as: The Virtue and Power of the Way.

the poem is a Monty Python song from "The Life of Brian"

metta,

~v