from my heart honestly>>but blz tell me ((am I right or not??))

[bananabrain]

this is starting to feel like a dialogue of the deaf, but anyway:

do you know what the different between us and other woman ((we have the shyness from man)) but we also a courage woman ,like the woman that killed in philistine & Eraqh & Bosna and Harseak ….est.

there are many types of courage. i do not believe getting killed is the only measure of it. there is courage in education, in work, in learning, in taking risks, in asking questions. it's not all about getting killed for your beliefs. if the situation required me to die for my beliefs i would do the same - the point is that it's much harder to *live* for them, to build a better world from them. anyone can make grand gestures that ultimately help nobody.

and if WW3 will happen you will see us defense our Islam
our family ,our life, and we don’t scared die. cause Allah going to send us heaven

who is talking about world war 3? you need to wake up. muslims need to get beyond this idea that the whole world is out to get them and they need to take preemptive action (against cartoonists???) this is crazy.

You read quran >>>ok if you read it ,why don’t you aske your self >>>quran is the same words in all the words
Not ilke your bible many books writing by many human???

i believe that the Torah is the word of G!D. not the work of many humans. the words of the prophetic books were written by the prophets themselves, but are no less effective or true for that. they were nonetheless communicating with G!D. i am constantly hearing from muslims about how unique the Qur'an is, how it is the direct word of G!D, all this - but you must understand that this is your *opinion*. you may regard it as fact, but that does not mean that it is established as fact for the rest of us. it is assertion of your beliefs and that is all very well, but it is by no means convincing for the rest of us. the fact that nobody has yet attacked the Qur'an with the tools of textual criticism is no guarantee that they will not be able to, although it'll be a brave person who tries it in today's climate. i do not consider the Qur'an "superior" to the Torah - otherwise i'd be a muslim. furthermore, there are plenty of people familiar with both. many of our great sages have been native arabic speakers more than familiar with the Qur'an - but they have remained jews despite its allegedly self-evident Divinity.

judaism does not "disbelieve" in Allah. one of the Names of G!D in the Torah is "ELoHiM", which has the same linguistic root as "Al-LaH". we remain faithful to G!D and to the Torah of G!D.

Cause you are lost and I’m just a hand that wanna show you the light
Islam now very easily to known
So don’t just west my time with your Blla blla
Cause you can’t , I’m not stupid girl …you can miss around with her ok

look, i didn't come to you to ask my questions. you came here, to a comparative religion website to ask yours. it seems you don't like the answers you're getting to your arrogant, chauvinistic, ignorant assertions of superiority. frankly, you need to read the code of conduct of this site, because your attitude is not compatible with what we are seeking to do here. you're the one wasting everyone else's time.

so thank you, but i don't believe i need your "hand" to "lead me to the light". i have learned plenty about the beauty of islam and the Qur'an from more credible and open-minded muslims than you. good luck on your quest - you're going to need it.

was-salaam

bananabrain

[Faithfulservant]

Im curious Angel how you arrived to this point of defending Islam by having ww3 and having a gun to your face from any of this conversation. Im confused. This is a peaceful website and noone is warring with anyone.

[I, Brian]

I think she left the building, after being told repeatedly that it was unwelcome of her to use CR to seek converts, rather than dialogue.

[ThePennyDrops]

I understand the points you are trying to make Angel Tears, and some of them are very good ones. The Western World does have problems with sex and sexuality, alcohol and drugs. These problems are massive and the solutions to them require great delicacy.

However, I don't think the answer is for women to become subjugated to men again. I value my independence, my right to vote, my right to be an individual. I would only change my name on legal documents if I got married, because I am not a piece of property. Whilst I understand your reasons for thinking as you do, and have an enormous amount of respect for them, I do not think that it would solve things over here. Women would not give up their hard-earned freedoms. My great-grandmother was a suffragette, and I make sure I enjoy my freedoms as a tribute to her.

I think the real downfall in the Western World is the lapse of family values. The pace of modern living makes it impossible to be together as a family, which is vital to the development of everyone. I come from a broken home and whilst I am very glad that my parents divorced, as my father did not respect my mother and was serially unfaithful to her, I would wish for the same not to happen to me. People don't really think about marriage seriously anymore, because they know they can easily get a divorce now. These things are what affect us here in the Western World today, and I don't think me donning a burkha or saving myself for marriage would improve those things.

[Admiral_HangTuah]

Dear All,

I'm very new (novice) in this forum, but I believe that the best way to discuss in this forum is to be open. I'm a muslim, and very free to hear point of views from my friends all over the world. I stayed in Manchester, Britain when I was 3 until 5 years old and I dont really remember how it was when I grew up in a foreign country like England. I love soccer, and support Manchester United whole-heartedly. I studied in Japan for 6 years, for diploma of A.I. System Engineering, and for degree, and for master degree. I learned their culture, their religion and understand them. I even eat "halal" (muslim terms of food we can eat) sushi and some of other foods as well. If I cannot eat the meat at the stalls, I will buy halal meat and ask my host family to cook Japanese for me. They are good and very warm.

When I read this forum started by a sad Saudi lady who really wants to see changes in the world, then I think... I must say at least one thing.

God created the world so beautiful, with a lot of cultures. Even Prophet Muhammad pbuh used to remind us that learning and studying is essential. Indeed, its very important and the the prophet even asked us to go to China if necessary to study. (During that time, China was quite civilised and prosper).

So, I believe, before saying anything... we should think twice and first learn about their culture, beliefs etc. Islam, like any other religion is focusing on peace and harmony of living. The only thing that make things different is that the leaders, and those people who has power disregard the good teachings and become extreme and emotional when make up their decisions. Some of them even greed and arrogant. So, thats why the negative side of many religions have been interprated and people decided not to think about their own religion seriously, and looking for more money as they thing money will give them more freedom and happiness.

Well, the point is.... knowledge is essential and important, but knowledge about your belief is much more important. Whatever, whether you are Muslim? Christians? Jews? or even other religion as well.

Please do come visit Malaysia, and learn how we handle the peace and tolerance.

Regards.