Free discussion of historical facts and their implications

[Tao_Equus]

I'd love to hear what you have to say. And if I dont like it I wont crucify you!! thats a promise!

[paganprophet]

Coming soon to a forum thread near you.

Actually, I'm way behind on re-doing my website. I'm finding I have made many small typo and spelling errors on most pages and there are several hundred pages, each with hyperlinks that got broken too and need repairing.

Next week..

[lunamoth]

I'm going to take a wild guess it will feature...

Biomystical Christianity
**********
The new Religion of Peace
and
The spiritual guidance of Ariel, the Angel of Peace and Archangel for the New Millennium

[bananabrain]

Originally Posted by paganprophet

How does one remain committed to intellectual honesty and dance around these damnable forum rules that are in place only to protect egos, not truth?

your "truth" may just be your ego in a wig. the forum rules are there so the forum can function effectively, not to protect anyone's ego. if you don't like the way the rules work, then take it to I, Brian, he's the boss. if you don't want to play according to our rules, then this is not the place for you. if you want to buy a newspaper, you go to a shop and give them money, despite their damnable rules. remember, this is not a place to proselytise or big up your own website. if that bothers you, tough, i'm afraid. there are plenty of people who want to sell us breast enlargements, porn and pills as well and i'm afraid our damnable forum rules are there for just this reason. i don't see how marketing your new revelation is any different, no matter how attractive a customer segment we may appear to be.

I may just wait and do my mission, you read about in the newspapers or maybe see something on tv or read my book published later.

go to it. remember, to get recognised as a prophet by us you have to be recognised by a great sanhedrin. we have a prototype one up and running in israel, although it's not completely authoritive. they've even got a website.

I work for God.

what, and the rest of us don't?

I have surrendered my life to do the work God assigned me and I can't fudge about it to please your sense of ..what exactly? decency? respect? If I don't respect God and respect men how can I respect myself?

maybe CR is isn't an appropriate channel for your mission, then.

God has given it to me to save the Abrahamic spiritual tradition culminating in Christianity.

gosh, you lucky chap. the presumption of that is that my particular part of the abrahamic spiritual tradition (ie judaism) requires the same salvation from you, is that correct? perhaps you'd like to give an example for me of how this might work. perhaps you'd also like to explain how precisely you're different from st paul, or martin luther, or shabbetai tzvi? what in my tradition requires *you*?

Do none of you know the classic reception of prophesy bearers? Most often, NO ONE wants to hear what they have to say. They always bring news no one wants to hear because it means change and change is strange and scary.

we've had a lot of people come to us claiming to be prophets. that is precisely why we have an agreed set of laws and standards about how to recognise whether someone's a prophet or not. go and study maimonides' "fundamental laws of the Torah" (hilchot yesodei ha-Torah) - here's a good place to start: http://www.aishdas.org/toratemet/en_prophecy.html

it's time to put up, my friend.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[paganprophet]

I guess my last membership was memorable for you. It was for Brian too which is why I've been asking for his permission to post this time after his booting me off before without you or any other CR member complaining.

This time around is way different, Luna. Because whereas before I was doing my mission for God for spiritual reasons that will become understandable probably for future generations, now God confirmed a line of research We gave a hint about to me several years ago and that confirmation changes everything.

The Abrahamic religious traditions are going to fall in a new way to historical facts destroying their foundational mythologies. Without the new Abrahamic spiritual vision God is giving the world through my work, the whole Abrahamic tradition will collapse in moral authority. It is this new information that now propels me to reach out again in talkboard venues that rarely want allow a real prophet of God freedom to speak.

[wil]

news at 11

[paganprophet]

Bananabrain, there is no more religious authority for the sanhedrins, rabbis, priests, pastors, imams, or mullahs. God has taken it away but you don't know it and I do. It's our job as prophets to know such things.

Yes, you can throw the forum rules at me but if I'm kicked off again what have you accomplished? You really think anyone here thinks I'm selling snake oil remedies or breast implants? That's your created straw man to blow over but it isn't what I'm about. I have no religious cult organization to promote. I tell of what God has given me in mystical visions, revelations and God-guided research. It will be CR's loss if I am again not allowed to share this information because of ego turf battles.

[InLove]

Hi paganprophet--

Are your views expressed somewhere in this thread?

Just curious. You have made it all sound so mysterious. Is your message urgent? I know that for most prophets, the message is foremost, and things like spelling and personal background and advertising take a back seat.

[wil]

Originally Posted by InLove

Are your views expressed somewhere in this thread?

Originally Posted by paganprophet

I tell of what God has given me in mystical visions, revelations and God-guided research.

So far you don't.

Originally Posted by wil

news at 11

It is really quite simple, if you state your prophecy for us to read, contemplate, absorb, inquire, tear apart...as previous prophets have, I don't think you'll have issues here.

If you go to particular forums and inform them they are wrong in their beliefs or witness like crazy or promote your book, you'll be bounced. Pretty simple actually.

But if you are upto stating your beliefs and having discussions you'll be here for quite a while...

Now while I haven't met many prophets, the implication I have is that not many of them ran around, I'm a prophet, I'm a prophet without providing prophecy...

PS....I like profit. And I like profit, see. So prophet, I'm waiting to find if I can profit from your profit, see.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by paganprophet

I guess my last membership was memorable for you.

Your last membership? So now you're here under a different sock puppet proclaiming the same? I fear your membership will be short lived.

Originally Posted by paganprophet

Yes, you can throw the forum rules at me but if I'm kicked off again what have you accomplished? You really think anyone here thinks I'm selling snake oil remedies or breast implants? That's your created straw man to blow over but it isn't what I'm about. I have no religious cult organization to promote. I tell of what God has given me in mystical visions, revelations and God-guided research.

I'm sure that this is what Jim Jones and David Koresh must have thought as well.

[Tao_Equus]

Wil: So prophet, I'm waiting to find if I can profit from your profit, see.

Oi!!! you stole my line!! You must be a bleedin prophet!!

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by paganprophet

unnhhh...How does one remain committed to intellectual honesty and dance around these damnable forum rules that are in place only to protect egos, not truth?

I don't know..this is getting so frustrating now as to be not seeming worth the effort. I may just wait and do my mission, you read about in the newspapers or maybe see something on tv or read my book published later.

I work for God. I have surrendered my life to do the work God assigned me and I can't fudge about it to please your sense of ..what exactly? decency? respect? If I don't respect God and respect men how can I respect myself?

God has given it to me to save the Abrahamic spiritual tradition culminating in Christianity. Without my spiritual work being done all the Abrahamic faiths save the gnostic solitary path are going to lose all their spiritual authority. Yet I can't talk about it straightforwardly to the people who should be the most interested; I am told I have to go through all these contortions of the truth in order not to offend someone's sensibilities.

Do none of you know the classic reception of prophesy bearers? Most often, NO ONE wants to hear what they have to say. They always bring news no one wants to hear because it means change and change is strange and scary.

Hi paganprophet,

I realise now that what you have is not something you'd like to call simply "a dream" but "a reality," or "a truth." Then there is what the collective of CR's members sees as a "reality" and "dream." But it seems that as members of CR claims to "reality" are seen as an intrusion to each of our respective individual identities. People start getting insulted when they're presented not with what is labelled as "beliefs" but "facts."

But then I can understand how you must feel when you are told your views are not "facts" but "beliefs" -- and likewise with everyone else here at CR. What I see here is rather like two universes with different perspectives. There is your universe and its respective facts and beliefs, and then there's that seen by CR collectively. With regards to beliefs/dreams and reality/facts, I suppose it sounds like we're taking what you see as reality/facts and labelling it as a belief/dream.

But I think the problem is, when one starts talking about reality/facts it starts becoming quite political. The thing about realities/facts is that they are universal -- they apply to everyone. Beliefs/dreams are localised and subjective -- each individual has their own concept. What a lot of us fear is that the concept of beliefs/dreams can be compromised if they are not seen as realities/facts. Somehow it's an attack/assault on our identity. Our beliefs/dreams, which we see as realities/facts isn't good enough. We feel rejected, despised and humiliated.

But what if we all asserted and aggressively maintained that our beliefs/dreams were not just beliefs/dreams but realities/facts? We'd have a war between a thousand or so members, all fighting to put their belief system or the flag or banner representing it, as the one on top of the hill. It's like a struggle over territorial claims.

But perhaps Brian's aim is to disarm the urge to put the flag/banner of one's perception of realities/facts on the hill and call them beliefs/dreams for the sake of keeping everyone happy.

In this diplomatic standoff, we are told to disarm and lay down our weapons. To stand down. We all think we are right, but if we all thought we were right, we'd all be dead. CR is like a safe heaven for people finding refuge from the wars of religion and spirituality. A sanctuary. We disarm and put our weapons at the door.

We can all affirm what we believe, assert it, uphold it, argue for it -- but remind ourselves it's only just our dream, our portait of the universe. We're not God and we don't have the whole world in our hands. We have a piece of it -- ourselves. That piece of the world defines truth for us, the truth between us and God. Our identity is valued, appreciated and recognised for what it is and what it means. Our identity is valued as the truth that it is or what it could be or become.

I assert that a universal concept can exist in a subjective reality. The concept is universal and absolute within that subjective reality. The concept and notion of subjective reality, is what I assert to be universal and absolute...within its own subjective reality. Round and round in circles we go with the circular reasoning. The reality we see is really just a perception of reality. In a sense, part of reality is not really reality, but what we make of it -- a perception, an interpretation. Does reality exist? Yes, I believe to some extent. You and I are separate entities. That distinction is real, but we have misunderstandings with each other. There is a limit to what we can define.

If we were to discuss the problem about the Abrahamic faiths, I think you and I might have similar ideas. But I think the important question is whether you think Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the problem, or whether you believe each respective faith has failed to achieve its own Dream, align themselves to their own Ideal, find their own respective Truths? You seem to be suggesting getting rid of them altogether. It would be interesting to hear about your solution . . . which is perhaps what your web site is for.

[Dondi]

Frankly, paganprophet, I do not see how you can expect anyone, regardless of which faith, to just suddenly abandon all roots of their religious affiliation in favor of someone who out of the blue proclaims themselves the prophets of all prophets. Do you think that we are that naive to just lay down all the history, revelations, prophesies, tenets, principles, and doctrines that are so inbredded in us and listen to someone who believes he has the answer based on the abandonment of the Abrahamic faiths?

It so happens that I am satisfied with my faith, as a Christian. Why should I change that? Becuase you say so? Give me good reason to. Do you think you are the only one who knows God? Do you think you are the only one who has felt the Presence of God in his life?

I'm open to your prophesies. By that I mean I'm willing to listen to what you have to offer. By each of us here will receive them in light of the religious background of which we are accustomed to. And we will test these prophesies of yours against the scriptures and traditions from which we are based and anchored in. If they are found sound, then we will consider them. But I don't think you are going to find anybody who is going to take them at face value.

[paganprophet]

God has given me the information in one hand that destroys the foundations of the Abrahamic religions and in the other hand, a new set of visions and revelations that save and continue the Abrahamic traditions that culmulated in revealing the Spirit of Christ to the world.

There is no other person on earth now who has the knowledge that destroys all authority of the Abrahamic faiths yet to whom God has also given the means to restore spiritual meaning to Jerusalem and the Holy Land. I have set in motion a spiritual means of purifying the Abrahamic religions of ancient men's mistakes by reestablishing spiritual truth at Jerusalem.

Without someone doing this work that shows the influence of a Living God, the Abrahamic religions will eventually go the route of all the rest of the ancient mythologies and dead religions that have also lost their foundational supports.

I hate to be so cryptic but I don't want to unload the information without first having my online book ready to explain where I'm coming from. Next week..if I'm still here...

[ardenz]

waiting for the news