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Proph 1 · 07-10-2005, 08:01 AM

Can we please just answer the question without the philosophical replies? Please tell me plainly if the scriptures I posted, including the NT qoutes, are talking about Jehovah God?

Remember, please be plain - Im not the smartest dude in the world!

Quahom1 · 07-10-2005, 04:58 PM

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the answer will become clear if you do some research
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ...john 17;3

And then in the New Tesetement Jesus Himself declared with His own lips, "I Am Who Am", and "I am the Alpha and the Omega".

Jesus declared these things before many. So now we know beyond shadow of a doubt who was talking in the Old Testement. It was Jesus.

Thanks Mee, you are right, with a little research we do find the answers that seem to baffle at first, but then it becomes crystal clear.

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Proph 1 · 07-12-2005, 12:14 AM

If all the below scriptures are talking about Jehovah God, how will a JW explain the last scripture mentioned? It says that first and the last was dead.

Who hath wrought and done [it], calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I [am] he. -- Isa. 41:4

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God. -- Isa. 44:6

Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I [am] he; I [am] the first, I also [am] the last. -- Isa. 48:12

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. -- Rev. 1:8

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. -- Rev. 21:6

And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; -- Rev. 2:8

mee · 07-12-2005, 05:32 PM

easy ,there is no contraditionwhen the correct meanings are applied

"And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again." (Revelation 2:8) By stating this to those Christians in Smyrna, Jesus reminds them that he was the first integrity keeper that Jehovah directly resurrected to immortal spirit life and the last to be so raised. Jesus himself would resurrect all other anointed Christians

Proph 1 · 07-12-2005, 05:49 PM

Oh I totally agree, there is NO contradictions. The scripture is clearly stating that Jesus is the first and the last. The SAME first and the last in Isa. 41:4. It is saying that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. The SAME Alpha and the Omega in Rev. 1:8. It is not saying that he was the first of God's creation. Where did you get that it was that? It says the first and the last is the Redeemer God. And, it says the first and the last was dead and now lives forevermore. Two facts about Jesus is:

He claimed to be God, and he died once for sinners, and now lives forever.

mee · 07-12-2005, 06:47 PM

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Oh I totally agree, there is NO contradictions. The scripture is clearly stating that Jesus is the first and the last. The SAME first and the last in Isa. 41:4. It is saying that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. The SAME Alpha and the Omega in Rev. 1:8. It is not saying that he was the first of God's creation. Where did you get that it was that? It says the first and the last is the Redeemer God. And, it says the first and the last was dead and now lives forevermore. Two facts about Jesus is:

He claimed to be God, and he died once for sinners, and now lives forever.

when Jesus died on the earth he was the first one that Jehovah resurrected to imortal spirit life ,anyone ressurected after that , would be resurrected by Jesus himself.so Jesus was the first and the last because Jehovah has given Jesus the aurthority to resurrect ones who will go to heaven . and those who will live on the paradise earth .remember that Jesus has the keys to do that
And he laid his right hand upon me and said: "Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Ha´des..........yes Jesus has the aurthority to release those in the grave because he has the keys...........

Quahom1 · 07-12-2005, 07:30 PM

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when Jesus died on the earth he was the first one that Jehovah resurrected to imortal spirit life ,anyone ressurected after that , would be resurrected by Jesus himself.so Jesus was the first and the last because Jehovah has given Jesus the aurthority to resurrect ones who will go to heaven . and those who will live on the paradise earth .remember that Jesus has the keys to do that
And he laid his right hand upon me and said: "Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Ha´des..........yes Jesus has the aurthority to release those in the grave because he has the keys...........

Lazarus was the first resurrected and was in fact resurrected by Jesus before Jesus died. The Bible does not say that Lazarus died again. In fact the Bible specifically states that every man is appointed to die only once. And some never taste death. Peter, resurrected a child from death after Jesus left. The first imortal spirits were stated in Genesis (I believe it was one of Seth's children who walked with God for 42 years and was taken up physically into Heaven). Then Elija was taken up into Heaven physically. These occured before the physical arrival of Jesus.

However, I do believe all of these events were orchestrated by a very busy and present Jesus. Jesus also stated that men who followed Him (accepted Him as savior), would do even greater things than He did, while He was on this Earth.

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mee · 07-12-2005, 10:41 PM

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Lazarus was the first resurrected and was in fact resurrected by Jesus before Jesus died. The Bible does not say that Lazarus died again. In fact the Bible specifically states that every man is appointed to die only once. And some never taste death. Peter, resurrected a child from death after Jesus left. The first imortal spirits were stated in Genesis (I believe it was one of Seth's children who walked with God for 42 years and was taken up physically into Heaven). Then Elija was taken up into Heaven physically. These occured before the physical arrival of Jesus.

However, I do believe all of these events were orchestrated by a very busy and present Jesus. Jesus also stated that men who followed Him (accepted Him as savior), would do even greater things than He did, while He was on this Earth.

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So are you saying that lazarus is still alive then even now ?

Quahom1 · 07-12-2005, 11:20 PM

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So are you saying that lazarus is still alive then even now ?

Seth's son and Elijah are...why not Lazarus?

Proph 1 · 07-12-2005, 11:45 PM

Im going to stick to the subject Mee.

The scripture, in context is saying that Jesus is the SAME first and the Last as in Isa. 48:12. Who is the first and the last in Isa. 48:12? It is God. Who is Jesus?

Quahom1 · 07-13-2005, 12:07 AM

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Im going to stick to the subject Mee.

The scripture, in context is saying that Jesus is the SAME first and the Last as in Isa. 48:12. Who is the first and the last in Isa. 48:12? It is God. Who is Jesus?

I am sticking to the subject as well. Jesus said the same words in the new testament (when addressing himself), because He dare say them in the new testament, He must have been the one who said them in the old testament.

Or else He would be a sham. I don't think that is the case. And I don't think Mee is going to admit, or confirm that at all...

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Bandit · 07-13-2005, 12:24 AM

i am going to stick to the subject also.

i do not believe that it was Jesus speaking in the OT. That was God speaking in the OT & God speaking through Jesus in the NT.

so now we have 3 different views.

Proph 1 · 07-13-2005, 12:24 AM

But why wouldnt Mee relpy? If you are wrong, and begin to see it, would you let pride keep you from changing?

I sure would NOT!

Bandit · 07-13-2005, 12:28 AM

i already see what you see & what all the others see...

MANY many years ago & i do not believe that way. never did. but you do not see what i see

and have not ever seen what I see all the way through... i can assure you of that.

Quahom1 · 07-13-2005, 02:27 AM

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i already see what you see & what all the others see...

MANY many years ago & i do not believe that way. never did. but you do not see what i see

and have not ever seen what I see all the way through... i can assure you of that.

I have no problem with that. I only point out that Jesus said "I Am Who Am", and "I Am the Alpha and Omega".

Again, pretty big boast for someone who is not God in the flesh (eh, so to speak).