Fireman suspended for Gay Parade refusal

[I, Brian]

Indeed, let's consider the issue of personal discrimination as the topic at hand, not whether those who discriminate against something do so because of suggested self-hate.

[paul]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Homophobia is considered an irrational fear of homosexuals due to possible repressed homosexual tendencies on the part of the patient. Do you really want to play that card?

Also, your Bible is your holy writ, your church caters to your religion, it is not mine nor is it everyone elses. Therefore what it says is not relevant to this discussion.

homophobia is probably a defence invention created by homosexuals is it?
pretty distorted.

i didn't bring the bible up in this discussion, i said the feelings of disgust one has of homosexuality are not based on scripture, but are real natural feelings.
i beleive this may of been a reply to someones mention of an oppostion to homosexuality being based soley on ancient scripture, which would be very ignorant, maybe i don't recall it right.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by paul

you may also notice from the Bible that there are deep spiritual meanings of the two sexes and marriage.

it is my opinion, backed up by over 2000 years of church tradition that according to the ancient Christian understanding and mysteries there is a meaning why a man was given certain roles and not a woman.

And this would be...?


As to homophobia, so we can put it to rest, it was not invented by homosexuals. There is a dearth of information on it on the web for your perusal and edification.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Paladin

And this would be...?


As to homophobia, so we can put it to rest, it was not invented by homosexuals. There is a dearth of information on it on the web for your perusal and edification.

You can't jump two squares and cross over one and call it "check"

There is an anger between people...that must needs be addressed. To dismiss it is as ridiculousness, or worse, not wise.

To call or imply people as homophobe, even worse than the first. No wonder the fighting never ends...

v/r
Q

[paul]

Originally Posted by Paladin

And this would be...?

this may take your own study, prayer, humility and contemplation

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

You can't jump two squares and cross over one and call it "check"

There is an anger between people...that must needs be addressed. To dismiss it is as ridiculousness, or worse, not wise.

To call or imply people as homophobe, even worse than the first. No wonder the fighting never ends...

v/r
Q

Q, my post was intended to honor I Brians wishes from earlier in the thread. There is no ad hominem going on here, Paul brought it up earlier in the thread and we have been trying to let it die a natural death to no avail. Please check back through the thread and you will see what I mean.
thanks

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by paul

this may take your own study, prayer, humility and contemplation

Thank you Paul, but I was merely pointing out that you did indeed introduce the bible into the thread, therefore denying it didn't make sense unless you just plain forgot.

[paul]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

You can't jump two squares and cross over one and call it "check"

There is an anger between people...that must needs be addressed. To dismiss it is as ridiculousness, or worse, not wise.

To call or imply people as homophobe, even worse than the first. No wonder the fighting never ends...

v/r
Q

i've followed this thread since the beginning, and i don't recall anyone reffering to anyone as homophobic, the nearest i can recall was myself, inquiring if it was a medical condition.

[paul]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Thank you Paul, but I was merely pointing out that you did indeed introduce the bible into the thread, therefore denying it didn't make sense unless you just plain forgot.

i don't think i introduced the bible into the thread, i once replied to you, when you made a comment about peoples opinions being based on an ancient text

i think after that cavalier mentioned of homosexuality and women in the church, of which i think kenod replied something about the bible, of which i also replied to kenod about the bible.

i only replied what was already mentioned, i haven't wanted to bring the bible into this thread.

it's no big deal though,
don't know if i have any more to say on the topic, already think i'm repeating myself.
i have wondered though what may happen in the future, i know people will find at least unfair that they have to attend such events against their will in their jobs, and maybe also in other jobs seem to be being discriminated against just for expressing their beleifs on the topic.

[Quahom1]

The fifth wheel is useless until required... see ya.

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Well, since it was brought up in the discussion I thought it prudent to open up the whole issue of homophobia and either keep it as a good argument why Paul might or might not want to continue using it. And can you offer any substantive sources that have successfully refuted the idea of internalized homophobia?

We know that a person can develop a phobia towards anything, even something innocuous.

The main problem with the concept of "homophobia" is that its definition (like racism) depends on the meaning the speaker attaches to it. Having worked with indigenous Australians, I know that what one Aboriginal calls racism, another does not.

Not liking a certain type of person, not liking certain sexual practices, making public statements of your religious beliefs, and actively campaigning to prevent changing the law, are not expressions of homophobia. But I do concede that hate crimes, and the denial of public services could be motivated by homophobia.

The Christian church has always maintained an emphatic distinction between the person and what the person does - usually summarised as “hate the sin, love the sinner”. That attitude is often labelled homophobic.

The accusation of "homophobia" is frequently used to silence critics because it has an underlying assumption that if you oppose the gay agenda, you are really a closet homosexual ... the louder you protest the more likely it is that you are secretly gay, so the "theory" goes.

[kenod]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Indeed, let's consider the issue of personal discrimination as the topic at hand, not whether those who discriminate against something do so because of suggested self-hate.

Brian,

If you feel my last post (#71) is inappropriate to the discussion, then please delete it.

It is an issue we will all need to consider at some stage because the EU is already considering legislation using the term "homophobia", and the APA is being lobbied to include it in the diagnostic manual.

Ken