Farewell Princess Bhutto

[bananabrain]

it's good to see that there's nothing quite so satisfying as a conspiracy theory that supports one's confirmation bias.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[farhan]

is my understanding that the moderate/liberal Islam of which you speak was created by the west was the Islam that survived for the past five hundred years. Seems to me it was the west that created the radical Islam

The Islam that you are talking about was "traditional Islam", it had nothing to do with cold war era hybrids. To counter the Soviets, west created whats now termad as "Radical Islam". They also created "Radical Hinduism" that burns a few hundred muslims in India every year, that doesnot make news.

And then after communism was gone, they are now trying to create a bunch of westernised zombies, whom they call "moderates". Their main aim now is to turn the Islamic world into a big casino, where everything sells...... & the consumerist paganism rules. Moderate Islam is going to ba a "Friday religion" kind of thing in this scenerio.

Traditional Islam has got noting to do with either of these genitically modified patented brands.

@others

Living in Pakistan all my life, I know a lt aout the politics here. Benazir's father wasa great genius. He was the mastermind behind Nuclear technology & OIC. Americans didnt like him obviously. Henry Kissinger told him,"we can destabilise your government and make a horrible example out of you". Kind of....one of a few gazallion reasons to hate America & Zionist lobby.

His so called murderer, Ziaul Haq was killed in mid air after he ran out of use.

Benazir, was elected twice, & both times her govt was dismissed on corruption charges. She & her husband Zardari made mansions in London. Zardari is still famous/notorius by the name Mr.10 percent in Pakistan. She is also responsible for the killing of a few thousand people in Karachi between 92-94.

Now she was back, with American media for her support. Her statments like we wil allow IAEA into Pak-nuclear facilities, we will hand over AQ Khan to US, we will close down madrasas etc were more to please Americans that Pakistanis.

Courgeous....better word is obsessive-compulsive. She would do anything to become PM of Pakistan.

Scotland yard is another twist in the story. They wont do anything significant. These games are much higher than their reach.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Radical Muslims exist yes, but they are duped into being so by a much more professional international alliance of greed.

I agree with you, they are driven by greed and lust for power but they also have their own agenda, one that is not thrust upon them by the west.

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Those in power know God does not exist.

Nah, they just wouldn't dare admit His existence to themselves or they would have to accept their accountability.

Tao[/quote]

Originally Posted by farhan

Her statments like we wil allow IAEA into Pak-nuclear facilities,

Why shouldn't the nuclear weapons in Pakistan be monitored?

Originally Posted by farhan

we will hand over AQ Khan to US,

Didn't he admit to having worked to give nuclear weapons to countries such as Libya, Iran and N Korea? Not that I think he should be handed over to the Us as I don't think the US are the worlds police but he should surely be brought to account for what he did?

Originally Posted by farhan

we will close down madrasas

Given that many of the Al Quaeda training camps are in Pakistan and have links to some of the madrasas, wouldn't you like to see radical Islam stopped before it does any more damage to Islam and the world in general?

Originally Posted by farhan

Courgeous....better word is obsessive-compulsive. She would do anything to become PM of Pakistan.

Are you suggesting that Musharaf or indeed any political figure wouldn't do anything to gain or stay in power?

I call her courageous because she was prepared to speak out against terrorists, in an atmosphere which does not lend itself to such public attitudes. Yes she was probably corrupt but I have yet to see any political leader or candidate that isn't - it seems to come with the job.

[Pathless]

From an editorial by Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! ostensibly about Pakistan, but also about some of the tangles of globalization, terrorism, and U.S. foreign policy:

Originally Posted by Amy Goodman

While President Bush imposed “regime change” on Iraq, based on fictitious weapons of mass destruction, “regime preservation” is the U.S. policy for Pakistan, despite its role in global nuclear proliferation, the sale of true WMDs.

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The New York Times revealed last week that at least $5 billion in U.S. aid delivered to Pakistan since 9/11 to fight al-Qaida and the Taliban actually went into weapons systems against another U.S. ally, India.

The more nuclear weapons Pakistan has, the more the U.S. has a vested interest in protecting them. As The Washington Post reported last week, even before the Bhutto assassination U.S. Special Forces were planning a vastly increased presence in Pakistan in 2008, “to train and support indigenous counterinsurgency forces and clandestine counterterrorism units.” The Glasgow Herald now reports that U.S. Special Forces “snatch squads” are in Pakistan, prepared to secure the nuclear warheads in the event of the government’s collapse. What Pakistani author Tariq Ali told me recently about Afghanistan equally applies to Pakistan: “The people of Afghanistan … do not like being occupied by foreign powers. They didn’t like being occupied by the Russians, and they don’t like being occupied by the United States and the NATO armies in their country. And as long as this foreign occupation lasts, there will be forms of resistance against it.”

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