Extinction Central

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Muslimwoman,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

No it wasn't but there were no polymers, heavens there wasn't even glass for the longest time. I hardly think some rotting cabbage leaves had the same effect. Leather was not tanned in chemicals, chemical plants did not spew out green goo into the oceans, clothes were dyed in natural dyes. Life has moved on and all I am suggesting is that with every advancement we (humans) have progressively caused more harm to our environment. Just look at oil, it isn't even 150 years since we first drilled for oil, how many oil spills into our oceans have there been since?

it seems that you are, strangely, equating the substances that they used with a more enlightened view of the enviornment.. which seems to be an odd position to take given the evidence we have of most people casual disregard for the enviornment.

you are deliberately equivocating my comments "sludge run off, run off from smelting and human wastes" as "rotting cabbage". clearly, biodegradeable materials pose less of an effect to the enviornment than non-biodegradeable materials.

Thank you for the link, very intersting and I am delighted people are trying to do something. A worrying link though which suggests it is all in vain:

The Heat Is Online

that article says the Kyoto Protocol is based on bad science.

are you certain that you would consider this a valid source if i used it to demonstrate how the Kyoto Protocol is wrong?

from that same source:

The Heat Is Online

it states that China has surpassed the United States as the leading producer of carbon gas which is contrary to your claim that the United States is.

Not at all, I smoke and always tell children not to. However, I know my message would have more effect if I wasn't smoking at the time I tell others not to.

then i'm failing to appreciate the continual need to state these things. if ones own actions do not impact the message there is no need to continually state the faults of the messenger unless one is intending to impunge the message by implication.

We were discussing statistics from countries we have never seen.

you suggested to Cyber pi that you could tell him many things about countries, to which he replied that he was sure you could tell him many things about countries that you have no been to. you countered that you could read.

i'm asking you, directly, if reading is a substitute for direct experience. no more, no less.

metta,

~v

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

it states that China has surpassed the United States as the leading producer of carbon gas which is contrary to your claim that the United States is.

Salaam V

China has more emissions per capita but of course their percentage of the world population is rather higher than the US. When you compare % population to emissions, then the US comes out on top.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

i'm asking you, directly, if reading is a substitute for direct experience. no more, no less.

No.

Thank you for the discussion V. I am going to leave CR for a while and shall stick to shopping for shoes. I wish you all the best.

Salaam
Sally

[flowperson]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Thank you for the discussion V. I am going to leave CR for a while and shall stick to shopping for shoes.
Sally

Hey MW...Salaam....

If you run into an old friend of mine, Imelda, whilst shopping for shoes, give 'er a hug and wish 'er well from me...OK ?

Peace and Love....flow....

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Hey MW...Salaam....

If you run into an old friend of mine, Imelda, whilst shopping for shoes, give 'er a hug and wish 'er well from me...OK ?

Peace and Love....flow....

Oh the woman is an amateur!!!

Salaam
Sally

[flowperson]

Hmmmm...let's see...do we need larger parks or fewer people conditioned to produce and consume too much "stuff" ? What a dilemma !!!

flow....

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Parks 'failing Africa's wildlife'

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Hmmmm...let's see...do we need larger parks or fewer people conditioned to produce and consume too much "stuff" ? What a dilemma !!!

Could I vote for less people please.

I came across this, it is for the US but it looks a great educational tool for kids. You click on your state and it shows the endangered species. Wish they would do one for the whole world (then make everyone look at it):

Clickable map of the United States - EndangeredSpecie.com

[flowperson]

We could vote for less people, but unless we morph into Jean Luc Picard we probably can't "make it so".

Here's an update on the situations regarding the future on planet Earth for polar bears and various bird species.

flow....

http://www.livescience.com/animals/0...lar_bears.html
http://www.livescience.com/animals/0...ing_birds.html

[Tao_Equus]

Perhaps our job s not to lament but to record. However sad this situation may be perhaps that is all that is realistically in our power to do. Perhaps David Attenburgh's last show will be called " Extinction Central" where we will be globally free to participate in the last wing beat of the last impossibly blue iridescent moth in some corner of the Congo. The last dance of some indescribable bird of Paradise in New Guinea. The last defecation of a dormouse somewhere in Kent. Perhaps this terrible present leads to a future of as yet unrealised potentials.
I do not know. I dare not hope. But I wish in every cell that as in history such grave extinctions are countered by Gaia's Love of self expression.

Tao

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by flowperson

We could vote for less people, but unless we morph into Jean Luc Picard we probably can't "make it so".

Here's an update on the situations regarding the future on planet Earth for polar bears and various bird species.

flow....

Polar Bear Population Expected to Drop by Two Thirds in 50 Years | LiveScience
Study: Hundreds of Bird Species Endangered by 2050 | LiveScience

I must remember to wear waterproof mascara before I read things like this.

[flowperson]

If there's anybody out there who still believes that all living beings are not interconnected in a web of life, then they need to read this right away. BTW James Lovelock knew this when he proposed the Gaia Principle in the 70's.

flow....

http://www.livescience.com/animals/0...xtinction.html

[flowperson]

Hey Grey, Bro. Bruce, etc.

Hats off to you Aussies and your government for taking a giant step in the right direction.

flow....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7033904.stm

[flowperson]

Sometimes it's so difficult to be a bearer of not-so-good news, but then that's why I started the thread. I saw a piece on PBS television on this not too long ago, and it didn't astound me, but only confirmed my attitudes about human greed and our voracious appetites for natural products, even to the extent of eliminating their sources from our environments...forever.

Well we did it to the Atlantic Cod in less than 100 years, at least we're being consistent...huh? But it looks like recognition has set in and there are coordinated efforts to maybe turn this one around. Let's hope.

flow....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7040011.stm

[wil]

Originally Posted by flowperson

If there's anybody out there who still believes that all living beings are not interconnected... James Lovelock knew this ... in the 70's.

We all knew it in the 60's man...

In regards to extinction though....heard quite the discussion on this one the other day... Persian Leopard

[flowperson]

Ok...anyone who doesn't like whales raise your hands...not you Ahab !

Here is some really good news about the comeback on one important species of whale ! See...we can do it if we try hard.

flow....

http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?...1018-710494519

[flowperson]

Hi

Here are some new views concerning more ancient extinctions and their causes.

flow....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071024/...eUZBXjw1Cs0NUE