Evolution

[sara[h]ng]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Oh, for cying out loud, no one gets anything...It isn't making sense. Life is not so complex. Simple is as simple does.


Are we supossed to be enlightened now? I mean it Magnetman, are we to now be enlightended from your great WISDOM? Are we so stupid that only YOU have the answers? Is that your message?

well, ok, Sarah thinks so. but this ignorant Christian Western American does not.

Do you realize how offensive and self-centered you are being in this post? That something that does not make sense to you does not mean that it does not make sense to others.

There are a few possibilities here. 1: You and your sense of God is wrong, Magnetman's is correct. 2: Magnetman and his sense of 'God' is wrong, and you are correct. 3: Nobody is wrong, the ideas are not in conflict.

No matter what possibility is true, I think that noone can argue that acceptable behavior is something other than what was displayed. A mature person would be open minded about the first possibility. A mature person would be humble about the second possibility. A mature person would be content to let each to their own in regards to the third.

Sarah

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by sara[h]ng

Do you realize how offensive and self-centered you are being in this post? That something that does not make sense to you does not mean that it does not make sense to others.

There are a few possibilities here. 1: You and your sense of God is wrong, Magnetman's is correct. 2: Magnetman and his sense of 'God' is wrong, and you are correct. 3: Nobody is wrong, the ideas are not in conflict.

No matter what possibility is true, I think that noone can argue that acceptable behavior is something other than what was displayed. A mature person would be open minded about the first possibility. A mature person would be humble about the second possibility. A mature person would be content to let each to their own in regards to the third.

Sarah

Mature people don't look down their nose at others. Mature people don't try to make others feel small. Mature people know they don't know everything and don't think everyone else knows nothing.

When I watched the development of my children, as they grew up, I praised and applauded them for what they did know, not drove the critical point home on what I thought they didn't know.

As for your three possibilities as noted above, only position #1. has been quite evident. I merely called bull.

A mature person should be able to handle a skeptic's position instead of attempting to whittle it away or dismiss it as childish thinking, which by the way is the notion I get from some...

v/r

Q

[sara[h]ng]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Mature people don't look down their nose at others. Mature people don't try to make others feel small. Mature people know they don't know everything and don't think everyone else knows nothing.

When I watched the development of my children, as they grew up, I praised and applauded them for what they did know, not drove the critical point home on what I thought they didn't know.

As for your three possibilities as noted above, only position #1. has been quite evident. I merely called bull.

A mature person should be able to handle a skeptic's position instead of attempting to whittle it away or dismiss it as childish thinking, which by the way is the notion I get from some...

v/r

Q

I suggest that you consider your statements in context and in regard to your own posts.

I am withdrawing from this conversation.

Sarah

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by sara[h]ng

I suggest that you consider your statements in context and in regard to your own posts.

I am withdrawing from this conversation.

Sarah

Consider it concerning your own Sara.

[taijasi]

Now I know I may be accused of coming out of left field on this one, but it's actually right-brain all the way, with left-brain just helping me make my point. And I feel I'm in the right, so nevermind whether what I say is all 100% accurate or not.

In looking back on Magnetman's diagram, and after seeing the recent posts, I want to add something that now I wish I'd done before. When I first looked at the chart, I didn't pay so much attention to the various placement of things like Protestant and Biblicist, and in taking a 2nd glance I suppose I can see how folks might react. But maybe we shouldn't. Here's two good reasons why:

First off, MagnetMan has mentioned animism again and again, his experiences of it and with it, yet it falls at the bottom of his chart. Is he then making a value judgement regarding those who maintain such beliefs, reducing their religion to primitivism - and some of his own beliefs along with it? That would be a bit silly, now wouldn't it!

The second point I want to make, is that even on first glance, I observed that the placement of the central set of spheres (the Ages) on MagnetMan's chart, corresponds to the Eastern teaching on chakras. From root (Muladhara) up to the Crown center (Sahasrara/Brahmarandra), the spheres just happen to align. Perhaps a coincidence, but whether consciously or not (and I suspect the former), I should think it obvious that Magnetman chose this system for a reason.

Now my point, is one that folks might not be familiar with, unless you've studied in some depth the various teachings regarding the purpose, and function, of the seven chakras. In short, they are like energy gateways between the different layers of the aura, or levels of our spiritual being. They are also foci for the vivifying energy(ies) which sustain us, and which nourish even our physical being. But the chakras are much, much more.

Each center has a specific function, and to regard them as gaining in importance as we move from bottom to top (base of spine to top of head) is an oversimplification, and a mistake. For instance, the root center is said to concern balance, alongside fight-or-flight instincts. Spiritually, it is the seat of the very energies which enable Liberation ... the mechanism (or driving force) behind our quest for self-understanding, and for spiritual growth. Without this, life would be pure inertia.

The sacral, or sex centre, is the focus for creative energies, which are eventually sublimated, or re-focused in the throat. And through the spoken word, or a song sung - the Creative power of Sound - all that is, came into being ... and nothing is created without this energy.

The solar plexus, also, bears the energy of our emotions, and moves to the heart once we mature, and learn to Love. Yet are our emotions not important? Could we love if we did not also understand the gamut of emotions which comprise our personality and color our experiences? Are we born with the energies of these centers (chakras) already transformed?

The Vision which is afforded by an active Ajna Center ("3rd Eye") is something necessary if we are to wisely direct the Love of the heart, and wisely use the Creative powers of sound, the spoken word. And just because the Crown center is barely active in the majority of individuals, does not mean that we are blind to spiritual insight, or without Divine guidance. Certainly, if our centers were all opened, and if the energies of Life flowed freely, our lives would all be different, and Heaven on Earth would be more than some lofty ideal.

But I do not sense judgement, and I do not sense condescension. But I will say this. Since I do not have the gifts of clear-sight, and a perfected spiritual understanding ... I would like to learn. I know my ignorance, but I am not proud of it. To the extent that I walk in darkness, I would rather be shown the Light. No, I do not want the blinding brilliance of the Diamond-Soul to be shining in my face 24/7. Usually, it is only a few rays of the pure sunlight that I can withstand. I have yet to learn to walk alongside those who beam the warming rays of sunlight, daily. But they do exist. And I feel certain that they represent our future ... just as they, too, look forward to Spiritual Teachers - for theirs. So we must learn to walk, rather than crawl - before we can learn to fly. And the energies move down the centres, as well as up. They circulate, and move in many directions.

andrew

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by taijasi

Certainly, if our centers were all opened, and if the energies of Life flowed freely, our lives would all be different, and Heaven on Earth would be more than some lofty ideal.

Um, did you forgot the part about finding and "exercising your own demons," first? Surely, opening up all your centers without first clearing out all the corruption would be to risk corrupting your spirit.

[I, Brian]

Let's try and keep this thread civil people.

If we can keep to the topic of evolution that would be great, but if it's going to server as a critique of members I'll have to close it.

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Um, did you forgot the part about finding and "exercising your own demons," first? Surely, opening up all your centers without first clearing out all the corruption would be to risk corrupting your spirit.

Oops! Most certainly. I think that hatha yoga, laya yoga, and various forms of pranayama are among the fastest ways to pyschic wreckage. That goes for tantric practices as well, and for anyone who dives in headfirst ... without the proper teacher. Fools rush in ...

Wasn't trying to advocate anything like that. Just suggesting what might be going on chakra-wise, or internally, for those who have attained to Enlightenment. And the real point was that in MagnetMan's chart, perhaps the real point is integration and synthesis, not evaluation and judgement. But I don't want to put words in his mouth. I think Stuart could clarify, and maybe comment on whether I've missed the mark.

cheers,

andrew

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by taijasi

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Wasn't trying to advocate anything like that. Just suggesting what might be going on chakra-wise, or internally, for those who have attained to Enlightenment. And the real point was that in MagnetMan's chart, perhaps the real point is integration and synthesis, not evaluation and judgement. But I don't want to put words in his mouth. I think Stuart could clarify, and maybe comment on whether I've missed the mark. cheers,

andrew

The chart is symbolic on many levels. Not only the chakra system but also the Caballah Tree of Life. The diagram encompasses the entire Psyche-Genetic theory in one glance. The ancient esoteric symbolism is intergrated into the modern scietific argument on evolution - relating it in turn to each stage of an individual's growth towards increasing levels of maturity and ditto with our collective Ages of development. For me it is a personal mandallah. Each circle represents a chapter in the book.

The relativity of the relationship allows us to see two future Ages of human evolution lying ahead of us. That in itself is a profound revelation that should be encouraging to all. It also gives us a sober apppreciation of the fact that our evolution is an on-going process. The chart shows us that we are in a present stage of teenage prostestion - that we should not use this pseudo-intellectual stage of development to make fixed judgments on who we really are. There are Ages of deeper wisdom ahead.


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[bob x]

"There are a few possibilities here. 1: You and your sense of God is wrong, Magnetman's is correct. 2: Magnetman and his sense of 'God' is wrong, and you are correct. 3: Nobody is wrong, the ideas are not in conflict."
4. Both of them are wrong. Nobody of course is correct, except for Bob X

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

"There are a few possibilities here. 1: You and your sense of God is wrong, Magnetman's is correct. 2: Magnetman and his sense of 'God' is wrong, and you are correct. 3: Nobody is wrong, the ideas are not in conflict."
4. Both of them are wrong. Nobody of course is correct, except for Bob X

Lol, it must be snowing in Tawas...