Ethics of human cloning

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by PersonaNonGrata

Hello Sir,
Long time no news Actually, its really nice to see You in this thread.
The thing is not the brain but who sets the laws, Quahom?

We're both stumbling around together in this unformed world, whose rules and objectives are largely unknown, seemingly indecipherable or even possibly nonexistent, always on the verge of being killed by forces that we don't understand (eXistenZ)
It really doesnt seem that we will be able to find cure to most killing illness' mankind is facing with, i personally dont think that its a good time to let our spritual side kill the science.
I really would like to live forever, dont you really?

Hello back sir

We have to set the laws Persona, we the people. Joe and Joesephine Citizen. We have to decide what is right and what we can live with, or not. If we don't then we will have those laws set for us by the rich and powerful, and those not looking out for our (the majority) best interest.

If we are stumbling around, then it is in our best interests to find light, quickly (read that as get educated). As far as being on the verge of getting killed...Pers, you and I agreed before that we are dying every day, from the moment we are born. Nothing new under the Sun (that both kills us and keeps us alive).

I agree that we best not allow blind superstition, or religion dictate how we use science to "better" mankind. I also think that we best not allow the cold caluoused clinical view of science superscede the "heart" of mankind.

Pers, the pendulum swings wide both ways. Somewhere in the middle is where the pendulum's weight works best for us.

And no, I do not want to live forever on this planet, or in this plane. I want to live for a good while here, mind you, but I know this is only a staging area for something better. Eventually I would like "orders" to move on.

Good to read from you sir

v/r

Q

[PersonaNonGrata]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Hello back sir

We have to set the laws Persona, we the people. Joe and Joesephine Citizen. We have to decide what is right and what we can live with, or not. If we don't then we will have those laws set for us by the rich and powerful, and those not looking out for our (the majority) best interest.

thank you for your kind words,

WE=LAWS?
Id like to start with nice lines i lenjoy reading when i think about law and order, as this wasnt the case of the thread i'll pass it quick

Originally Posted by Sakae Osugi

I LIKE A SPIRIT

I like a spirit. But I feel a repugnance when it is theorized. Under process of theorizing, it is often transformed into a harmony with social reality, a slavish compromise, and a falsehood.

It is a rare thing that a thought is as it is. Still, it is few of action emerged from a spirit directly. I like at the most a blind action of a human being or an expression of spirit.

a sprit is a nice womb to be in

Originally Posted by Quahom1

If we are stumbling around, then it is in our best interests to find light, quickly (read that as get educated). As far as being on the verge of getting killed...Pers, you and I agreed before that we are dying every day, from the moment we are born. Nothing new under the Sun (that both kills us and keeps us alive).

so true

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I agree that we best not allow blind superstition, or religion dictate how we use science to "better" mankind. I also think that we best not allow the cold caluoused clinical view of science superscede the "heart" of mankind.

Quahom you are really limiting mankind, i am having difficulties understanding this. I mean in which sins of the main religions said something about cloning, could you refer me a passage? Moralities should come after rationalism if you as kme.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Pers, the pendulum swings wide both ways. Somewhere in the middle is where the pendulum's weight works best for us. ok

And no, I do not want to live forever on this planet, or in this plane.

hello : ) i really would love to that'll be awesome! but you gotta now that you will never die but travel,
i guess that sounded like a hippie?? huh, but yeah

[mirrorinthefog]

Originally Posted by PersonaNonGrata

Quahom you are really limiting mankind, i am having difficulties understanding this. I mean in which sins of the main religions said something about cloning, could you refer me a passage? Moralities should come after rationalism if you as kme.

How "moral" is it to eliminate another human being because he or she is not what you wanted him or her to be? Does one have the right to produce a child and use pieces of the child to save another child?

Frankly I wouldn't want someone to tell me that I was spare parts for another human being.


Either way, I don't see anything wrong with cloning parts, or genetic research, if it is done to help and not for its own sake, which seems to be the majority of the problem. (Why on earth would I want another me running around? I have enough of a problem with one, thank you very much, and I think several billion people on the planet is more than enough-if anything we don't need more people)

Stem cell research? Seems like using a child as spare parts, to me. But, that doesn't mean it is "evil". I'm not a part of any organized religion, so I'm not going to talk about Divinity in this. It is a mess, I admit, and I wish there was another way to go about it without harming another individual-adult or otherwise. But no, stopping it on the grounds that "the Lord doesn't want it done" doesn't hold up. That doesn't justify it either, however, and I don't believe that human life should be devalued for the sake of scientific advancement-who is science for, after all?

Anyways, the point is the pros and cons should be well thounght out before we come to a solution, in my humble opinion. Being fanatically for or against an issue only complicates it further, and feeds old fueds. It's uneccessary and childish at best, as far as I'm concerned.

PNG said a few posts back that he would like to live forever-wouldn't everyone? Well, actually, no I wouldn't. And I don't believe in an afterlife-not in the sense that most people do. Whatever makes me who I am will dissolve after death.
But I know my limits. Death is highly overrated, and feared when it shouldn't be. There would be no sense to be prolonging something that wasn't designed to last, and doesn't need to last. It would be like constantly rewinding a movie before the ending.

To each his own, though. This is just my opinion. Nobody has to agree.