Establishing the truth!

[Iacchus]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

We are concious. Therefore God is real, alive and concious too. And the universe rides on the back of a war elephant that has a foot on each of four turtles swimming through the sea of eternity. Its really quite simple.

Tao

Does truth exist independently of man's conceptualization of it? Yes or no? If not, then there is nothing for man to discover, about himself or, anything else. If so, then obviously it was "manufactured" by something else. Neither can it be considered a property of time and space, since it is the very thing which observes and, in effect precedes time and space. And, since everything by virtue of its existence is established "in truth," i.e., it either exists (as a "true fact") or it doesn't, then it would suffice to say that truth exists in dimension of its own (more akin to the "conscious mind" or "spirit") and, is what gave rise to the first four. In which case all I can say, is that who or, whatever created "our reality," knew what it was doing and, we are the beneficiaries of that.

[Iacchus]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

The truth is that there is no inherent benevolence. The truth is that everything is a social construct. We're caught, like a monkey with it's fist around a pebble in a gourd, in an Escher-esque liar's paradox. We can't escape because we can't let go, and we can't let go because letting go invites anarchy and semantical oblivion. The truth is...irrelevant.

Chris

So, the only way we can ascertain the "truth" is to get together and vote on it? Yes, this may be required in order to determine the law of the land, but how does that affect reality as a whole? Just because the truth affects each one is differently (which is only a testimony to its diversity), does not make it irrelevant, in the least. If it did, the whole of existence would be irrelevant. So, in that sense, the truth of reality (or its constructs) must in fact be absolute.

[Iacchus]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

No you are not disturbing me at all.
Why do you believe in the immortality of soul?
Egotistical flatulence..there is actual evidence for that being truth, none at all for the eternal soul.
Facts or truths have to have at least some presentable evidence in support of them.

But that was not the point of my post. All you said in the post i responded to was man looks at things. And all I said was "no s**t Sherlock". Its that simple.

tao

Yes, I do believe. However, since you're the one who seems to have all the answers, why is it that you don't believe? According to you, I'm either full flatulence or I'm not, right?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Iacchus

So, the only way we can ascertain the "truth" is to get together and vote on it? Yes, this may be required in order to determine the law of the land, but how does that affect reality as a whole? Just because the truth affects each one is differently (which is only a testimony to its diversity), does not make it irrelevant, in the least. If it did, the whole of existence would be irrelevant. So, in that sense, the truth of reality (or its constructs) must in fact be absolute.

Is truth the amalgam of all constructs or the residue of utter deconstruction? Do we add everything up to arrive at truth, or do we subtract everything and see what's left at the point of zero superfluity. I tend to be a minimalist so I would have go with the subtractive analysis track. From that perspective truth is irrelevant because to get to it you would have to essentially annihilate yourself in the process of deduction.

Chris

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Is truth the amalgam of all constructs or the residue of utter deconstruction? Do we add everything up to arrive at truth, or do we subtract everything and see what's left at the point of zero superfluity. I tend to be a minimalist so I would have go with the subtractive analysis track. From that perspective truth is irrelevant because to get to it you would have to essentially annihilate yourself in the process of deduction.

Chris

Very nice Chris. I might respectfully point out that there might not be a self to annihilate, but that would be a spoiler wouldn't it? There is so much more satisfaction in continuing the argument, continuing the seeking for then the game can continue!
Yes indeed what would we do with ourselves if we saw an end to bombastic bifurcation?
Subject/Object is needed to continue the story nicht wahr?

[Bishadi]

Does truth exist independently of man's conceptualization of it?

Yes

Words are man’s conception (universal truth #1). It is that ‘consciousness’ that each experience. Knowledge evolves so the conscious can understand within the mind.

For example; At the births of cain and abel, could eve describe the umbilical cord and know what vaccinations to give. Over time, they will through their grrrrreat ++ grand kids. Equally, each of the lines of children contribute knowledge over time.

Still the single form of truth; must combine the varied knowledge to exist in physical form (words to comprehend).

So, the only way we can ascertain the "truth" is to get together and vote on it?

Yes, in a sense. As equality of foundation is built, then equality of choice can remain true to existence versus opinion. That would mean to combine the varied opinions and establish physical facts (science) then combine the religious renditions and philosophical values to establish the framework. When the three branches of knowledge can combine then the foundations to establish the base values can be made.

And then to combine the knowledge under One form will cause a paradigm shift to global understanding. The truth of the matter is for describing natural facts to the realities of life and death, the religious offered only what they could describe, thanks, but now the knowledge to comprehend existence itself and understand what life’s purpose is; can be singularly understood by comprehending how light interacts with mass. Good (interactions): supports life to continue; formally last longer. Bad (selfish isolation from existence): loss to the common……… go extinct by failing within their environment. These are literally grounded in all nature.

Just because the truth affects each one is differently (which is only a testimony to its diversity), does not make it irrelevant, in the least. If it did, the whole of existence would be irrelevant. So, in that sense, the truth of reality (or its constructs) must in fact be absolute.

Exactly! Seems true that each experience is still known to existence and each varied face is of the total; all a part of the single One. (god if you like)

From that perspective truth is irrelevant because to get to it you would have to essentially annihilate yourself in the process of deduction

Annihilate the self to realize how much there is to know.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Very nice Chris. I might respectfully point out that there might not be a self to annihilate, but that would be a spoiler wouldn't it?

Drat. We're all doomed.

Chris

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Drat. We're all doomed.

Chris

Is that the truth we must accept?

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Is that the truth we must accept?

Yes, that and taxes....so the saying goes...

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Iacchus

Yes, I do believe. However, since you're the one who seems to have all the answers, why is it that you don't believe? According to you, I'm either full flatulence or I'm not, right?

On the contrary, I am not so full of myself to think I have any answers, and smart enough to know you do not either.

Tao

[Iacchus]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

On the contrary, I am not so full of myself to think I have any answers, and smart enough to know you do not either.

Tao

No sh*t? You seem to be certain enough that neither of us has a soul?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Is that the truth we must accept?

Of course not. I was just goofin'.

Chris

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Paladin

There is so much more satisfaction in continuing the argument, continuing the seeking for then the game can continue!
Yes indeed what would we do with ourselves if we saw an end to bombastic bifurcation?
Subject/Object is needed to continue the story nicht wahr?

Living in the limelight
The universal dream
For those who wish to seem

Those who wish to be
Must put aside the alienation
Get on with the fascination
The real relation
The underlying theme


A little Rush for you.

Chris

[Paladin]

Totally wicked

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Iacchus

No sh*t? You seem to be certain enough that neither of us has a soul?

Of course I am not certain, but I find it so unlikely as to make it a virtual certainty. And if we do it will not be judged by a Santa Clause's twin brother. There are some extremely sound bits of science that suggest belief / faith to be psychological constructs. Until I have a better explanation, which I cannot see happening any time soon, I will go with that.

Tao