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[17th Angel]

Children NEED to be taught they are just children.... They also NEED to think what they want to think, not what you want them to think... Because you have someone above you making you think what you think, oh such a terrible cycle..... You preach about free will and how wonderful it is to choose out of love... Forcing a child to your stuffy uncomfotable halls isn't free will... SMACKING a child for not listening isn't free feaking will is it?

Does your god come storming down from the heavens above and smack you in the ass for not paying attention? And drag everyone to the kingdom halls?

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Children NEED to be taught they are just children.... They also NEED to think what they want to think, not what you want them to think... Because you have someone above you making you think what you think, oh such a terrible cycle.....

yes Gods word is the way to go , and our head Jesus is the one to look to.

SUCCESSFUL gardening requires much more than scattering some seed on the ground and then returning a few months later for the harvest. Much hard work is involved in preparing the soil, sowing the seeds, and watering and nurturing the plants so that they can grow to maturity.
This process could well illustrate the truthfulness of Proverbs 22:6, which says: "Train up a boy according to the way for him; even when he grows old he will not turn aside from it." Indeed, parental training is a major factor in successful child rearing.
In today’s permissive world, however, many parents fail to heed this counsel. When they follow conventional wisdom that children must learn to handle problems on their own, their children are often left to fend for themselves. Such a course leaves young ones vulnerable to the harmful influence of unprincipled and unscrupulous individuals.—Proverbs 13:20.
How much better it is for parents to instill Christian principles in their children through godly training at an early age! How early? "From infancy," says the apostle Paul. That was the case with the young man Timothy. His mother, Eunice, and his grandmother Lois inculcated "the holy writings" in Timothy so that he "learned" and was "persuaded to believe." The result? Such training played a vital role in making him "wise for salvation."—2 Timothy 1:5; 3:14, 15.

Likewise today, parents who do "not give up in doing what is fine" will reap rich rewards if they "do not tire out." (Galatians 6:9) Says wise King Solomon: "The father of a righteous one will without fail be joyful."—Proverbs 23:24.

[Tao_Equus]

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[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

yes Gods word is the way to go , and our head Jesus is the one to look to.

SUCCESSFUL gardening requires much more than scattering some seed on the ground and then returning a few months later for the harvest. Much hard work is involved in preparing the soil, sowing the seeds, and watering and nurturing the plants so that they can grow to maturity.
This process could well illustrate the truthfulness of Proverbs 22:6, which says: "Train up a boy according to the way for him; even when he grows old he will not turn aside from it." Indeed, parental training is a major factor in successful child rearing.
In today’s permissive world, however, many parents fail to heed this counsel. When they follow conventional wisdom that children must learn to handle problems on their own, their children are often left to fend for themselves. Such a course leaves young ones vulnerable to the harmful influence of unprincipled and unscrupulous individuals.—Proverbs 13:20.
How much better it is for parents to instill Christian principles in their children through godly training at an early age! How early? "From infancy," says the apostle Paul. That was the case with the young man Timothy. His mother, Eunice, and his grandmother Lois inculcated "the holy writings" in Timothy so that he "learned" and was "persuaded to believe." The result? Such training played a vital role in making him "wise for salvation."—2 Timothy 1:5; 3:14, 15.

Likewise today, parents who do "not give up in doing what is fine" will reap rich rewards if they "do not tire out." (Galatians 6:9) Says wise King Solomon: "The father of a righteous one will without fail be joyful."—Proverbs 23:24.

You can reliquish your own thoughts for Quotes. That is up to you, whatever floats your boat as they say. For me that will never be an option, a few quotes will never substitute for rational and logic and intuitive sense these bring of whats real and what is illusion.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

You can reliquish your own thoughts for Quotes. That is up to you, whatever floats your boat as they say. For me that will never be an option, a few quotes will never substitute for rational and logic and intuitive sense these bring of whats real and what is illusion.

I am glad to say that my thoughts are nothing in compare to Gods thoughts in the bible . and it is my belief as one of Jehovahs witnesses that the bible is inspired of God . and i do my best to base my life on the inspired word of God , and i do find that it is always most beneficial

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

I am glad to say that my thoughts are nothing in compare to Gods thoughts in the bible . and it is my belief as one of Jehovahs witnesses that the bible is inspired of God . and i do my best to base my life on the inspired word of God , and i do find that it is always most beneficial

I believe that is delusion. The bible is the work of men. A percentage of it is genuine attempt to understand a higher thought. A percentage is for good social governance. And a percentage deliberate political mechinations put there to give the powerful church leader a position of higher authority. Maybe to you it is beneficial. I have now 'witnessed' you proseltysing at someone with clear psychotic problems. At no time did you urge him to see a doctor. That is truly truly shameful. To me you are as sick as he appears to be. Your mantra's are your programing. I think you need a de-programing treatment.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I believe that is delusion. The bible is the work of men. A percentage of it is genuine attempt to understand a higher thought. A percentage is for good social governance. And a percentage deliberate political mechinations put there to give the powerful church leader a position of higher authority. Maybe to you it is beneficial. I have now 'witnessed' you proseltysing at someone with clear psychotic problems. At no time did you urge him to see a doctor. That is truly truly shameful. To me you are as sick as he appears to be. Your mantra's are your programing. I think you need a de-programing treatment.

he didnt come across as psychotic to me , just mislead by false religious teachings about hellfire. i wouldnt say we need to go to a doctor for that, even though others thought he did .

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

he didnt come across as psychotic to me , just mislead by false religious teachings about hellfire. i wouldnt say we need to go to a doctor for that, even though others thought he did .

If you do not recognise someone claiming to hear voices in their head as psychotic then you are in no position to offer advice.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

If you do not recognise someone claiming to hear voices in their head as psychotic then you are in no position to offer advice.

accurate knowledge works wonders . it washes our minds clean of all the rubbish that has been put in there by false religious teachers. and hellfire is rubbish . false religious leaders have a lot to answer for.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

accurate knowledge works wonders . it washes our minds clean of all the rubbish that has been put in there by false religious teachers. and hellfire is rubbish . false religious leaders have a lot to answer for.

You mean like Charles taze(er them) Russell. Tell me this....just how many dates have the JW's stated to be the end of days since 1874 and 1914?

[mee]

"Do not throw me away in the time of old age; just when my power is failing, do not leave me."—PSALM 71:9.
There is a touching story from the Middle East about a young girl’s compassion for the elderly. A grandmother was helping in the kitchen and accidentally dropped and broke a china plate. She was upset by her own clumsiness; her daughter was even more irritated. She then called her own little girl and sent her to the local store to buy an unbreakable wooden plate for the grandmother. The girl came back with two wooden plates. Her mother demanded: "Why did you buy two plates?" The granddaughter, hesitating, answered: "One for grandma and the other for you when you are old." Yes, in this world all of us face the prospect of aging. Would we not appreciate being treated with patience and kindness?—Psalm 71:9.

[greymare]

Ive invited them in (JWs) that is and we have shared a cup of coffee or two. I have stated that I dont want to convert or study the bible with them, but just want to pik their brains. And why do we mistreat the elderly??? Speak for yourself, I dont. But yes society in general should realise that your smelly old grandparents can be quite useful around the house. Seriously, my olds will come to live with us when the time is right for them . Families just dont seem to be as important these days to some. My grandmother lived to be 93, smoked a packet of menthol cigarettes a day and drank a bottle of whiskey weekly. Maybe she died when she was 70 but was too pickled to realise.lol

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by greymare

Ive invited them in (JWs) that is and we have shared a cup of coffee or two. I have stated that I dont want to convert or study the bible with them, but just want to pik their brains. And why do we mistreat the elderly??? Speak for yourself, I dont. But yes society in general should realise that your smelly old grandparents can be quite useful around the house. Seriously, my olds will come to live with us when the time is right for them . Families just dont seem to be as important these days to some. My grandmother lived to be 93, smoked a packet of menthol cigarettes a day and drank a bottle of whiskey weekly. Maybe she died when she was 70 but was too pickled to realise.lol

There is quite a strong case to argue that your lifespan is actually pretty much determined by your nutritional intake in the first 3 or 4 years of life. The better it is the longer you will live. And the bigger and healthier you will be.
Of course it is ugly to see old people forgotten and neglected, especially when they have family but that dont make it right to go and target them for 'salvation' and maybe a re-written will. The aged have contributed to a society where we enjoy great prosperity relative to historical norms and we thus owe them a great debt. So it is up to society and government to insure they have the best of care and to always respect their dignity.

[mee]

Originally Posted by greymare

Ive invited them in (JWs) that is and we have shared a cup of coffee or two. I have stated that I dont want to convert or study the bible with them, but just want to pik their brains. And why do we mistreat the elderly??? Speak for yourself, I dont. But yes society in general should realise that your smelly old grandparents can be quite useful around the house. Seriously, my olds will come to live with us when the time is right for them . Families just dont seem to be as important these days to some. My grandmother lived to be 93, smoked a packet of menthol cigarettes a day and drank a bottle of whiskey weekly. Maybe she died when she was 70 but was too pickled to realise.lol

good to see that you are caring for your elderly ones , as you mentioned the world in general seem to cast them off .

[mee]

[quote=Tao_Equus;108172]There is quite a strong case to argue that your lifespan is actually pretty much determined by your nutritional intake in the first 3 or 4 years of life. The better it is the longer you will live. And the bigger and healthier you will be.
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my mom lived to 85 and i dont think she had much food as a young one , so i also think it is in the genes, but if we have a certain weakness in our bodies and we do things in our lives to make that weakness worse, we then can make ourselves prone to certain sicknesses. some people have cancer in the family genes ,and smoking would increase the risk factor , but then someone else could smoke all day every day and live to a ripe old age, because the same risk factor was different in them , as you mentioned about food intake in our childhood , they do say that brittle bone problems in later life can come about because we have not built up a good strong bone in our childhood , i think after about the age of 25 or something like that ,we start to lose bone density , so the better our bones have been built up in our childhood the better our bones will be in later life. but our inherited weaknesses have also got some thing to do with it as well .2 people could have the same amounts of food in childhood but if one had a inherited weakness for brittle bone problems , they could fall down and break a bone and the other person may have a stonger bone and not break a bone