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[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Mee.... Why do the watchtower TRY... so HARD to make there be blacks whites males females and all that in their photos you never see a photo of just say two white men, two black women... or whatever they STRIVE so hard to make it all look equal... No idea why that bothers me.... I will have to ponder on this....

.............. nice, just what we need in this disunited world. but Jehovah is making all things new in more ways than one . remember those pictures go all over the world . and they are for ALL people , and from all nations. and a great crowd they are too who respond to the unity of Jehovah . revelation 7;9-10

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

lol, firewall was a joke. Sorry but I have had my fair share of earbashing from the doorknockers and I'm unable to find enlightning in narrowing down my mind the way you preach. Simply put I dont believe we have all the answers to who/what God is yet. And I think it will be a long long time before we are in the position to get close to understanding that infinite complexity. I'm happy and at peace with who and what I am and I sincerely strive to be a good man. If Jehova is Gods name, if he is manlike as you paint him then, forgive the pun, god help us all. I cant believe such a God will forgive JW's allowing their kids to die for want of a couple of pints of blood. Any religion that preaches my way or the highway automaticly excludes the majority of humanity. I believe us all equal.

TE

sticking to the bible works wonders . and striving to stick to it in this world that is far removed from it, is the way to go . i am glad to say that i have found the united people that are doing just that . and these people have for the most part come out of all the manmade religions from all nations . and they are faithfully sticking to Gods word . nice unity indeed and it will be a good thing when old age and sickness is a thing of the past . what a hindrence old age is to us all ,there is no escaping it in this world. but for now while we still grow old it is good to follow bible princibles in all things . and caring for elderly ones is good in the eyes of the most high. for me i hate to see the strengh of a person fade and the frailness of old age take over. but no worries at a future time they will be youthful again with youthful vigour............. nice

[mee]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Dunno, but if you offered your elder members a coffee morning, instead of shoving them out into the cold and the wind on a Sunday morning to knock on my door, that may go partway to addressing the matter.

and we all know what the bible says ............... your people will offer themself willlingly ........... Jehovah uses old ,young, disabled , all sorts of ones to do his will ,and they are more than willing to want to do it . no wonder the GOODNEWS is being made known all over the world . matthew 24;14 and then a nice coffee with brothers and sisters and a naughty but nice cream cake

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Dunno, but if you offered your elder members a coffee morning, instead of shoving them out into the cold and the wind on a Sunday morning to knock on my door, that may go partway to addressing the matter.

HAHAHAHHA Brian, nice one baby!$£"!$!£ I am freaking loving that one...

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

sticking to the bible works wonders . and striving to stick to it in this world that is far removed from it, is the way to go . i am glad to say that i have found the united people that are doing just that . and these people have for the most part come out of all the manmade religions from all nations . and they are faithfully sticking to Gods word . nice unity indeed and it will be a good thing when old age and sickness is a thing of the past . what a hindrence old age is to us all ,there is no escaping it in this world. but for now while we still grow old it is good to follow bible princibles in all things . and caring for elderly ones is good in the eyes of the most high. for me i hate to see the strengh of a person fade and the frailness of old age take over. but no worries at a future time they will be youthful again with youthful vigour............. nice

With the utmost respect,

I appreciate that many converts to JW are amongst the most gentle, kind people to be found in society and that this is why they are drawn in by this air of gentle unity the watchtower employs in its pamphleting. JW is promoted ruthlessly as a rationalist unity of man under Jehova. But this sugar sweet coating masks a bitter pill.
You would say that people walk the JW path of their own free will. Well a laboratory rat runs a maze of its own free will in just the same way. When you join the JW you suspend independent thought and adopt the surogate of these countless books that remind me so vividly of Nazi aryan pamphlets of pre-war Germany.
Once inside you effectively abandon the protection of the laws of the land in which you live and delegate them to the church elders. Systematic sexual and physical abuse is rife in the JW and the elders persistantly try to keep this hidden and out of legal authorities knowledge.

The sisters said they learned around the time of Berry's trial that their mother, Sara Poisson, had told church elders of the abuse while it was happening and asked for their help. Their mother testified that the elders told her to keep quiet, pray more and strive to be a better wife.

Judge: Elders not required to report abuse

This is not an isolated incident. The link will take you to dozens of similair cases. And we all know for every one that ever makes it to the courts there are a dozen that do not. Why is this happening in the watchtower?? Is it because child preditors can easily see the advantages of hiding in the closed community of a watchtower group?

The central premise of the watchtower is that the bible is the actual spoken word of what you like to call Jehova. Well since you only been around since 1869 and are borrowing a book that is actually a loose collection of doubtable, subjective, translations then that supposition is truly a leap of faith. Blind faith. Watchtower draws heavily from revalations. A sick, fevered, hallucinatory book that non alligned scholars agree was written by a minimum of three authors by anaylisis of grammar and spelling. Revalations was a political tool. And I find contemporary Christian reference to it still uses it for exactly that purpose. And this is my central turn-off in regard to the watchtower, God gave me a mind that I should use it. I dont reject the bible as being evil, on the contrary it is often a beautiful expression of mans desire for unity and an end to suffering. But too many groups take it as their own and pervert it into something that it is not. JW are amongst them.

Now to return to the elderly and why precisely the JW are so keen to target them for special attention. Is it 100% humanitarian desire to help a vulnerable group? A group that may be perseuaded to re-write their last will and testament?

"She was approached by someone within the nursing home that was proselytizing for a fringe religious group," he said. "The group had actually encouraged its members to become paid staff at the nursing home in an effort to target the elderly. I was really shocked to see this kind of thing going on, targeting the elderly in an attempt to exploit their disabilities."
Rick Ross speaking about finding his mother distressed in her nursing home and the reason he embarked on his mission to expose cult practices.

So when you post your nice sweet pictures of such nice sweet multi racial empaths. I dont accept it. I see through it. Not because I dont think many of the JW members are not wonderful people with genuine motivations. But because JW is a cult of mind control all too ready to exploit those it proffesses to offer sanctuary.

TE

[17th Angel]

Tao as I do not like having to jump to the aid of the JW's many of the "sexual accounts" you mention are not real.... Indeed their have been a few... But Companies you work for, there is sexual harrassment..... In the clubs you join in the bars you visit in the parks you walk in.... In the town you dwell in... In the churches you all have faith in also..... So yeah... You cannot hold a few's mistakes agaisn't a who group, to generalise I think shouldn't be so.

OH, also you do have free will..... I am no longer a JW.... So free will is there.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Tao as I do not like having to jump to the aid of the JW's many of the "sexual accounts" you mention are not real.... Indeed their have been a few... But Companies you work for, there is sexual harrassment..... In the clubs you join in the bars you visit in the parks you walk in.... In the town you dwell in... In the churches you all have faith in also..... So yeah... You cannot hold a few's mistakes agaisn't a who group, to generalise I think shouldn't be so.

OH, also you do have free will..... I am no longer a JW.... So free will is there.

I agree that there are preditors in every walk of life. My argument is tho that the 'closed community' of the watchtower acts as a magnet to devious preditors.

As to the authenticity of the claims made on the site i linked to i cannot be 100% certain. But such claims are extremely libelous, especially in the US, and i suspect the site creator would be in jail by now if they were untrue.

Free will is not afforded the children of these families and is suspended on the blanket acceptance of watchtower philosophy. There were several JW children at my highschool. they were never allowed to socialise with us outside of school, denying them a normal childhood, and they rarely interracted within school.

I do not hold the mistakes, ( I would have used the word depravations), of the few against the many. I stressed at the outset and again further in that I believe the majority go into it for all the right reasons. But it is a closed cult community and those that seek power within such groups have in many instances over the years turned out to be of dubious intent. Where the potential for malign to gain control is there they will seek it. Thus such groups should have a system of vigilant self-protection from these types. They rarely do. Further, I personaly find the whole prosletysing propoganda machine of this group to be fundamentaly malign and geared toward suspension of 'self' for the profit of the organisation. Maybe I'm just a paranoid tho

TE

[17th Angel]

I see where you are coming from and indeed I agree with most.

I know what you mean about the not letting the children mingle with "those of the other world." I have seen children of the age of two and so on forced to sit in and watch this bs.... You know how much that made me cringe? Watching a grown adult force it's belife on a child.... It is very ugly.... So uncomfortable thinking of it now I can see memories.... Not nice. One child was smacked/punished for wanting to go outside and play.... This is a three year old girl.... Punished? For wanting to freaking play??? I am not 100% agaisnt discipline for children.... But this was pathetic... It is a child it's nature is to play enjoy it's freaking life... Not be forced to listen to this... It had done none wrong.

Sorry I'll shut up now, or I never will, that topic isn't one of my favourites....

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

because JW is a cult of mind control all too ready to exploit those it proffesses to offer sanctuary.

TE

I am glad to say that the bible has washed my mind very clean and it is now inline with Jehovahs purpose for the earth . but not all are willing to be controlled by the bible .......... and they do their best to be in opposition to the bible matthew 24;45-47

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

I am glad to say that the bible has washed my mind very clean and it is now inline with Jehovahs purpose for the earth . but not all are willing to be controlled by the bible .......... and they do their best to be in opposition to the bible matthew 24;45-47

I rest my case yr'honour.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by mee

.............. nice, just what we need in this disunited world. but Jehovah is making all things new in more ways than one . remember those pictures go all over the world . and they are for ALL people , and from all nations. and a great crowd they are too who respond to the unity of Jehovah . revelation 7;9-10

OOOOH I SEE, so for a black community it -has- to have a black person in the photo? And in a white community it -has- to have a white person.... But, also it has to show the two "mixing" race, sex and gender..... I don't know it is still bothering me..... What's wrong with having two black males in a photo.... or two white females.... Or two yellow, brown, green, purple, orange, blue people together.... There has to be more to this, or my mind wouldn't find an issue with this lol... Just cannot put my finger on it.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I rest my case yr'honour.

yes the bible always comes true , Jesus really is feeding his faithful ones with lots of good bible based spiritual food ......... nice matthew 24; 45-47 and looking after elderly ones is the way to go . being fed by Jesus himself is good food indeed, and it is always for good. the bible teachings and the princibles laid down in the bible if applied are always for our benefit. and Jesus sheep always listens to Jesus voice.

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

There has to be more to this, or my mind wouldn't find an issue with this lol....

making issues does not always turn out in our best interests , especially when it is in opposition to Gods purpose

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

But it is a closed cult community

taste and see that Jehovah is good . maybe listening to opposers puts the wrong knowledge in peoples minds . but when we listen to those who are willing to go along with Jesus and the channel that Jesus is using and feeding , it can work wonders to our accurate knowledge matthew 24;45-47 make no mistake about it , the whole world is in the power of the wicked one satan the devil 1 JOHN 5;19 and the world in general is in great opposition to Gods purpose ,that is why there is always opposition to his followers . but Jesus sheep listen to his voice nice

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

I see where you are coming from and indeed I agree with most.

I know what you mean about the not letting the children mingle with "those of the other world." I have seen children of the age of two and so on forced to sit in and watch this bs.... You know how much that made me cringe? Watching a grown adult force it's belife on a child.... It is very ugly.... So uncomfortable thinking of it now I can see memories.... Not nice. One child was smacked/punished for wanting to go outside and play.... This is a three year old girl.... Punished? For wanting to freaking play??? I am not 100% agaisnt discipline for children.... But this was pathetic... It is a child it's nature is to play enjoy it's freaking life... Not be forced to listen to this... It had done none wrong.

Sorry I'll shut up now, or I never will, that topic isn't one of my favourites....

time and a place for everything i would say ,
our young ones attend meetings with their parents primarily to listen and to learn. and yes they do have a time to play , brings to mind this verse in the bible ,
Moses taught the Israelites to assemble together adults and "little ones." He said: "Congregate the people . . . in order that they may listen and in order that they may learn, as they must fear Jehovah your God and take care to carry out all the words of this law.
And their sons who have not known should listen, and they must learn to fear Jehovah."—Deuteronomy 31:12, 13. yes time and a place for all things , but nowadays to many children are allowed to run riot with no direction at all .

Children, in particular, need to be taught that a place of worship is not a playground . and the bible and its teachings are not rubbish , they have sayings of everlasting life , and children who are taught by godfearing parents are a pleasure to behold . nice