Easter Pagan

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

LOL every small detail about "easter" is Pagan based.... It only came mixed/stolen when the Romans tried to appease the christians and the Pagans.... Hence Roman Catholics....

The title itself gives this away Ishtar... is a Pagan goddess... and Easter is her name slightly changed into English. She was like the Teuton goddess of spring I believe. The "chocolate" eggs and hares (rabbits) are again symbols of fertillity in Pagan belief... You also have the hot cross buns and in your bible it shows clearly that your god drove the Jews into babylonian captivity.... Because the hot cross buns were seen as idolatry worship....

Does this holiday seem something that jah, would approve of??

Um, the Romans didn't incorporate pagan rituals into Easter, first. The Celtic missionaries did, circa 432 AD (ACE). And their original reasons were not sinister at all. The Pagan festivals fell right in line with the Christian festivals, and represented similar concepts (rebirth, defeat of death, oneness with God's nature, etc.). Also, since the heroes of the Celts were so Christ like and kingly like Jesus, they rather embraced Christianity and made it their own, not the other way around. They identified with a King of Kings, a peaceful warrior, and one who defeated death. Of course their basic mind set and perception of reality was quite different than the literallness of Rome.


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Joshua

[BlaznFattyz]

who's worshipping the easter bunny? ...pffft, pagans

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

who's worshipping the easter bunny? ...pffft, pagans

lol, indeed.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Um, the Romans didn't incorporate pagan rituals into Easter, first. The Celtic missionaries did, circa 432 AD (ACE). And their original reasons were not sinister at all. The Pagan festivals fell right in line with the Christian festivals, and represented similar concepts (rebirth, defeat of death, oneness with God's nature, etc.). Also, since the heroes of the Celts were so Christ like and kingly like Jesus, they rather embraced Christianity and made it their own, not the other way around. They identified with a King of Kings, a peaceful warrior, and one who defeated death. Of course their basic mind set and perception of reality was quite different than the literallness of Rome.


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Joshua

Indeed. Paganism isn't the bogeyman. All those Greek dudes were pagans. I tend to see Christianity as an enlightened extension of the best of the Greek philosophical schools. That's where the idea of the Logos comes from that St. John introduced into the Gospel quatro. St. Paul was hip too.

Nobody worships the Easter Bunny. There's nothing unchristian about celebrating the times and seasons of the year, and of life.

Chris

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Indeed. Paganism isn't the bogeyman. All those Greek dudes were pagans. I tend to see Christianity as an enlightened extension of the best of the Greek philosophical schools. That's where the idea of the Logos comes from that St. John introduced into the Gospel quatro. St. Paul was hip too.

Nobody worships the Easter Bunny. There's nothing unchristian about celebrating the times and seasons of the year, and of life.

Chris

Indeed, lol. Christ never condemned anyone. This is the wonder of the Son of God. But what He did say Chris, is "I AM", Follow "ME". He was pretty specific about that. And unlike any other faith, Jesus promised, "All who seek the Father, will find Him, through me."

That is pretty cut and dry. You know, I have doubts, like you. I have questions, like you. But I believe Him, despite my questions and doubts. After all...what do I have to lose? To live a life that is benificial to me and my fellow man, based on a belief that can't be proven historically, yet by actions, so benefits man...can't be so bad.

What most anti-Christ advocates scream about is the "fact" that "Christians" (so claimed), can be so quick to get violent...

We are a "peaceful" religion? Never claimed such. Ever. We are a civilized faith, who's main theme is "peace". And we will turn the other cheek...to a point.

Christians, however, are not, nor ever claimed to be, peaceful. That is a media spun version.

We just "want" peace.

Don't take a "Liberal Christian's" perspective, to be that of the oness of all Christians. It isn't the truth. We aren't "passive", not by a long shot.

That is a mistake the world makes...

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Joshua

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Indeed, lol. Christ never condemned anyone. This is the wonder of the Son of God. But what He did say Chris, is "I AM", Follow "ME". He was pretty specific about that. And unlike any other faith, Jesus promised, "All who seek the Father, will find Him, through me."

That is pretty cut and dry. You know, I have doubts, like you. I have questions, like you. But I believe Him, despite my questions and doubts. After all...what do I have to lose? To live a life that is benificial to me and my fellow man, based on a belief that can't be proven historically, yet by actions, so benefits man...can't be so bad.

What most anti-Christ advocates scream about is the "fact" that "Christians" (so claimed), can be so quick to get violent...

We are a "peaceful" religion? Never claimed such. Ever. We are a civilized faith, who's main theme is "peace". And we will turn the other cheek...to a point.

Christians, however, are not, nor ever claimed to be, peaceful. That is a media spun version.

We just "want" peace.

Don't take a "Liberal Christian's" perspective, to be that of the oness of all Christians. It isn't the truth. We aren't "passive", not by a long shot.

That is a mistake the world makes...

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Joshua

Well, Jesus said a lot of things. He wasn't just about "pick up your cross." He wasn't just about turning the other cheek. He wasn't just a Jewish Messiah. OTOH, Jesus' message is clear: the ideal thing is to absorb the blow and walk away. I'm human, you're human, Peter was human when he drew his sword and cut off the high priest's servant's ear. Jesus picked Peter precisely for his zealous nature, and Peter was attracted to Jesus, not in spite of, but because of his nature. There's a lesson there.

Chris

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Well, Jesus said a lot of things. He wasn't just about "pick up your cross." He wasn't just about turning the other cheek. He wasn't just a Jewish Messiah. OTOH, Jesus' message is clear: the ideal thing is to absorb the blow and walk away. I'm human, you're human, Peter was human when he drew his sword and cut off the high priest's servant's ear. Jesus picked Peter precisely for his zealous nature, and Peter was attracted to Jesus, not in spite of, but because of his nature. There's a lesson there.

Chris

Yep, Jesus takes on all kinds, especially the hard cases...(lol)

[China Cat Sunflower]

Easter is a time when we celebrate the end of the deviled egg eating season. Ideally your Halloween candy should last 'till Easter. Deviled egg eating season starts with the Thanksgiving festivities, and lasts through Christmas and New Years. Then you get a break until Easter to help your digestive tract recover. Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Easter are the great feast holidays.

Chris

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Easter is a time when we celebrate the end of the deviled egg eating season. Ideally your Halloween candy should last 'till Easter. Deviled egg eating season starts with the Thanksgiving festivities, and lasts through Christmas and New Years. Then you get a break until Easter to help your digestive tract recover. Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Easter are the great feast holidays.

Chris

Actually you really only need to get your Halloween candy to last until Valentine's Day. However our candy typically lasts until fourth of July, when I finally throw out the candy corn and other pieces no one will eat.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

There's nothing unchristian about celebrating the times and seasons of the year, and of life.

Chris

I thought this was a good point.

luna

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Actually you really only need to get your Halloween candy to last until Valentine's Day. However our candy typically lasts until fourth of July, when I finally throw out the candy corn and other pieces no one will eat.

We had a fun Halloween. I should post a couple of pics. The girls are still in the princess stage. We saw a lot of princesses and pirates! Pirates of the Caribean is a big hit with kids, and I love that!

Chris

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

We had a fun Halloween. I should post a couple of pics. The girls are still in the princess stage. We saw a lot of princesses and pirates! Pirates of the Caribean is a big hit with kids, and I love that!

Chris

Our girls had fun too, although it's much quieter here than when we lived in Missouri last year (three trick-or-treaters this year vs. about 50 last year).

A purple witch and Tinkerbell:

[InLove]

Luna, I love it when you post pics of your kids! (My oldest was Tink one year--we kept a ballet costume instead of turning it back in on time and I altered it just enough to temporarily imitate Pan's sidekick.)

I have always had lots of fun with the costumes. Won some prizes, we have! Highlights, I guess, were the glass slippers I made one year with lots of clear-dry Elmer's, and then there was the year I won 75 bucks dressed as Stevie Nicks on the cover of Bella Donna. Someone recently suggested that I should try dressing as Counselor Troy (sp?) from Star Trek. Was going to do that this year, but some other things came up. Anyway...my grandkids have an interesting array this year, the slender 12-year-old decided to be a Sumo wrestler. Guess he will be too old for it all next year, that is, unless he takes after his Grammy.

Yesterday was kind of a hard day for us here, but it was a bright spot to hand out some Snickers and Three Musketeer bars to the all-in-one tailgate party trick-or-treaters last night. Haven't gotten to do that in some time now.

I'll never grow up, never grow up, never....

InPeace,
InLove

[Prober]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Actually you really only need to get your Halloween candy to last until Valentine's Day. However our candy typically lasts until fourth of July, when I finally throw out the candy corn and other pieces no one will eat.

WHAT!!! Candy corn is my favorite!

[flowperson]

Great pics Luna! This year I wore my John Deere cap, dressed all in green, and pretended to be a midwest farmer. I didn't seem to convince many people of that illusion out here in the desert. They probably thought I was just some sort of mutant artichoke !

Great mantra InLove...I use it quite often myself.

flow....