Dreaming the future?

[_Z_]

Wil, hi



I have touched upon these notions e.g. in ‘the man or the vision’ thread, not forgetting the ghost universe thread, and I have written a thread called ‘painting masterpeices in the air’, [concerning the flow of new knowledge and inspiration] but not posted it yet. I am still working on a more extreme philosophy including a 'quantum thought' model. If you want to do a thread then by all means do so – as I find info I have been searching for often just comes to me when answering posts! Perhaps we are all operating in the spirit or Ether eh!



Entheogenics – god inducing drugs! Did you invent that word – I like it, as a druid I have certainly used them to bring forth the gods and spirits – tools of the trade y’know, but that was when I was much younger and after I had already been granted visions, I don’t need to now.

I dare not do a thread on drugs and religous experience – can you image that here! People seam to think that there is a difference!

Z

[Tao_Equus]

There is a comparatively new field of science caled "zero point field" that is a child of quantum mechanics and reintroduces the hypothisis of the existence of some kind of ether. In this theory the ether is described as some kind of universe wide matrix that is governed by quantum law. It offers us a credible way of using scientific method to test a number of the issues dealt with in this thread and has accumualted some very startling 'remote viewing' results in a series of rigerously monitored experiments. The theory offers a medium which makes premonition, simultaneous 'eureka !' moments and many other related subjects not only possible but likely. The real questions are is this matrix the body or essence of what we call God? Is it sentient in its own right and working to a plan?
Since the subject has been raised are the matrix like bands of flourescence seen while under the influence of an hallucinogen this matrix made visible?

[_Z_]

Tao Equus, hello!



Sounds fascinating! I don’t know about the science side of this, as you say it is a new field. Thing is that as soon as we include terms like ‘god’ into the equation, then we have to say that all things are of god, as I would say that the quantum mind would be a part of all of our minds and span existence like a net of thought. I would presume that this universal thought – if you will, has a base nature that belongs to infinity and mirrors the shape of universal nature. In a way, I wonder if we could think of everything as thought/Ether, as there is no line dividing – thought and its forms, like points on paper. This thought or spirit/Ether would have the zero nature [infinity] and the shaping of the points being its multiple nature [mindscape X actualisation of the thought {the act becomes real}]. So perhaps thought is not just in our minds but spanning the entirety of existence, perhaps there is a synchronicity, where we react to stimuli in the Ether! Remote viewing could be more like visualizing in the universal mind instead of our own. I think a lot of psychic phenomena can be explained [if at all] by considering it so that we may have access to this universal mind – indeed that our minds are simply the focusing of this mind around an epicentre [point on the paper] - Thus all we are is a vortex in the winds of eternity! [and the will that concentrates the vortex].

nice to meet

Z

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by _Z_

Tao Equus, hello!



Sounds fascinating! I don’t know about the science side of this, as you say it is a new field. Thing is that as soon as we include terms like ‘god’ into the equation, then we have to say that all things are of god, as I would say that the quantum mind would be a part of all of our minds and span existence like a net of thought. I would presume that this universal thought – if you will, has a base nature that belongs to infinity and mirrors the shape of universal nature. In a way, I wonder if we could think of everything as thought/Ether, as there is no line dividing – thought and its forms, like points on paper. This thought or spirit/Ether would have the zero nature [infinity] and the shaping of the points being its multiple nature [mindscape X actualisation of the thought {the act becomes real}]. So perhaps thought is not just in our minds but spanning the entirety of existence, perhaps there is a synchronicity, where we react to stimuli in the Ether! Remote viewing could be more like visualizing in the universal mind instead of our own. I think a lot of psychic phenomena can be explained [if at all] by considering it so that we may have access to this universal mind – indeed that our minds are simply the focusing of this mind around an epicentre [point on the paper] - Thus all we are is a vortex in the winds of eternity! [and the will that concentrates the vortex].

nice to meet

Z

Thank you Z !!! And its a pleasure to meet you too

I have often pondered myself on these ideas in a way very similair to your own. Liken this Vortex to a sandstorm and the first single grain can be Like Christ, Bhudda or Mohamad that go on to build thier own massive dune of belief.
The past 24 hrs I have thought almost non stop about the topic raised in this thread. Not new thoughts to me I must say. But essentialy there are so many clear signals that premonition exists. ( like the collage picture made by my son a few hrs before the planes struck on 9/11 which shows 2 towers engulfed in dust and smoke, with red tissue like blood below them....and a green feather, symbolic I feel of the islamice extremists who did this.) And if premonition is real Time is beyond doubt an illusion. So I would love to know if anyone has had a premonition, got to the subsequent deja vu moment and effected change from the original vison through force of will. Anyone???

[_Z_]

Premonition… hmm not my thing, I just read ‘the book with no name’ [kinda like the memory of universal mind and all-knowledge {perhaps we are parallels in this!}]. I would not agree that you could effect change from the original vision, although I can see how you came to this conclusion! My reasoning is that the original vision is of all events, thus one cannot change it, as it is history and future history. Then there is a causality paradox; one cannot affect a cause on that which is already has its form [or is already there]. In order to change one thing, you would have to change everything, as all things are the form of the one and the multiple – everything is connected to everything else. But you obviously visualise the future history within the book very well, perhaps it knows that thus your interactions with the future are within its history!

btw, i often have de ja vous, specially visual when awaking from a dream.

respect

Z

[Tao_Equus]

. I would not agree that you could effect change from the original vision, although I can see how you came to this conclusion! My reasoning is that the original vision is of all events, thus one cannot change it, as it is history and future history.

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I actualy agree with you. without invoking parallel dimensions i belive it would not be possible to change the course of future events any more so than to change history. I was more refering to some of the earlier posts that suggest a dream premonition can be an opportunity to fix an undesired outcome before it happens and wondered if anyone believed they had done this.

[_Z_]

I see, yes that makes sense, although there must be some loopholes in causality – I don’t think it is all set in stone - so to say! I wish I could see coming events sometimes, but then again I do see things yet when they become real, they have a different form but are of the same substance - if you will. Perhaps this is how to beet causality i.e. via the vehicle of the metaphor. The trouble is that the thing which appears to be going to happen still does, as fate has a way of creeping up on us, and catching us unawares.

Z

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by _Z_

I see, yes that makes sense, although there must be some loopholes in causality – I don’t think it is all set in stone - so to say! I wish I could see coming events sometimes, but then again I do see things yet when they become real, they have a different form but are of the same substance - if you will. Perhaps this is how to beet causality i.e. via the vehicle of the metaphor. The trouble is that the thing which appears to be going to happen still does, as fate has a way of creeping up on us, and catching us unawares.

Z

Thought long and hard on this subject some years ago and came to the conclusion ,(or cop-out?), that evrything is indeed set in stone. This was
based entirely on my own extremely vivid, (waking), premonitions and current theories on the nature of time. Its as you say, no matter what I did to avoid an outcome it found a way of creeping up on me and catching me unawares.
I think our linear perception of time and our need to feel like we are in control of our destinies combine to create the illusion of free will. Our day to day physical reality enforces this. But in the bigger picture we were always going to make the choices we made. Some might say this is an opt out from my own responsibilities in life. Thats not the case because I am aware I might be wrong and so strive to do my best in every area of life. Its just all the evidence I could find led me there.

[_Z_]

Tao equus hi



Yep I come to that conclusion too! The trouble is that, I also believe that the spirit and the meaning of ‘freedom’ are intertwined i.e. part of each other. Now let us give it another loop, to see if we can get some resolution on the matter:



History has to be created/lived out on a linear plane, before [!] the ‘eye of infinity’ can know it – so to say. Thus we have to make the decisions and perform the actions that combine to literally make history. Time can do what it want’s, yet history is linear!



Perhaps it is so that:

Just as we cannot affect the future – due to causality, it is equally so that what we do to make history cannot also be changed! Thus the freedom to create as we go [if you will], is ours! If any of that makes sense?

Z