Drawn to Islam

[Yaqinud Din]

Some Shia believes from their own books.

Allaah often lies and does mistakes. (usool-e-kaafi, page #328, yaqoob kulaini, vol1).

Abu Bakr is kafir and the one who loves Abu Bakr is also kafir. (Faq-ul-yaqeen, page #690, Baqar majlisi).

All Prophets are beggar at the doorstep of Ali. (khalqat-e-norania, page #201, Talib Husain karpalwi).

All the prophets and Angels are the slaves of the 12 imams except Mohammad (saw). (kaleed manaazra, page #35, barkat ali).

When imam Mehdi comes he will hang Hazrat Abu Bakr and Umar at the holy grave of Hazrat Mohammad (saw). (Majma-ul-ma’arif, page #49).

If Gabriel and Mekael had loved Abu Bakr then they would have been in hell too. (Ameer mukhtar, page #8, mirza basharat Husain).
Hazrat Anas Bin Malik, Abu huraira, Amr bin Aas, Ameer Ma’avia and Aa'ishah were worst people of all times. (Makalmaat-e-husainia, page #59).

I don’t believe in that Allah who gives government to Usman and Ma’avia. (Kashf-ul-asrar, page #107, Khamini).

Neither we believe the Allah nor the Prophet of the God whose khalifah is Abu Bakr. (Anwar-ul-nomania, page #278).

Mullah Muhammed bin Yaqoob Kulaini, the most prominent Shi'ite scholar of Hadith, quotes Imam Baqir as saying:

'People became apostates after the death of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), except for three people: Miqdad ibn Aswad, Abu Dharr Ghifari and Salmaan Farsi.' He continues:

'Abu Bakr and Omar did not repent before they parted the world. In fact, they did not even mention what they had done to Ali. So may Allah, His angels and all of mankind curse them. (Furu'ul Kafi: Kitabul Rauda: 115)

'Regarding the doctrine of' 'Tabarri' we believe that we should seek disassociation from four idols namely, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Mu'awiyah; from four women namely, Ayesha, Hafsa, Hind and Ummul Hakam, along with all their associates and followers. 'These are the worst creation of Allah. It is not possible to believe in Allah, His Messenger and the Imams without disassociating oneself from their enemies. (Haqqul Yaqeen: 2:519)

[The doctrine of 'Tabarri' means to have no association with the enemies of Allah.]

One should say after each prayer: O Allah! Curse Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman, Mu'awiyah, Ayesha, Hafsa, Hind and Ummul Hakam. (Aynul Hayat: 599)

Now are you telling me that you want unity with people who say things like this.

[PluckyAli]

Hi,

Hello. I've been looking into Islam just to learn about it and I've been considering converting.

Studing is always a fun for me and if your studing religions then your doing something really interesting.oh converting is a word disliked by logical muslims.Because we believe every child is born a muslim,it is his parents and environment that make him christian,budda,hindu etc.so reverting is the right term.Islami means peace(some ppl say it means submission first and then peace and it's fine).We believe peace can only be achieved through submission.

But I have so many questions. Like for instance, I have a few Muslim friends and none of them wear head coverings and they listen to music and watch movies. They eat meat that hasn't been killed in the name of Allah and they don't pray five times a day. Are they just not "practicing Muslims"?

No,they are just not practicing islam.Don't look at other muslims,look at what islam teaches and not what muslims do.I also have to say no one is perfect i mean althouh I believe islam is an ideal way of life but in reality idealization is unattainnable.We should struggle to achieve perfection.

Does the Quran forbid music and movies?

music is forbidden and about movies I am not sure.maybe it's not a time for me to do a little research on it.

What about painting and drawing? And writing?

100% Allowed unless your painting something which is offensive.

Is a head covering necessary.

yes but face covering is preferable although not necessary.

And I've heard that the Quran was only meant to be read in Arabic.

Not true.

Does this mean I can't read the Quran until I've learned Arabic?

No,you can read quran in any language.

What is a good place to start out with if I'm looking into conversion? Are there any good books that I should read?

Read the fundamental religous books like bible,Quran,Bhagvat Geeta etc.Read other books only if you have a lot of time.Research the validity of claims,authors of the books have made.
I

really feel lost but I keep getting drawn back to Islam.

There is nothing to be lost.Just try asking for evidence of whatever you hear.

If someone could just maybe answer just a few of the questions I would be very grateful.

Any q from anywhere is most welcome.Questioning is kool thing.

[thipps]

Originally Posted by Jibran

I wonder why Shaikh Albani did not mention "Ahmadiyah" in the list of sects which he "considers" to be the out of the fold of Islam. He mentions Shi'tes, Kharijites and Alawis only.

Jibran, I would say there are three obvious possibilities. One, it is not an exhaustive list or two, he simply could have forgotten or three, he doesnt consider them out of the fold of Islam.
If you check out his website, you will find that the first one is the most probable. Why? It says on his website:
The Qadianis are disbelievers, outside the fold of Islam.

As for the Kharjites, we are still yet to identify in which forms and levels are they present among Muslims. There is no single identifyable community which declare themselves as Kharjites.

I dont know who this 'we' is but is it common for a thief to stand up among the people and declare his profession? Still, the question is quite interesting posed at this time. I again suggest you read 'The Wahhabi Myth'.. the answer is in there

The case is different with Shi'tes and Alawis. As you may aware of the fact that Shi'tes and Alawis have a world of differences. Shi'tes are NOT Alawis and Alawis are NOT Shias even though some of them (Alawis) identify them so. My emphasis is on the point that by only considering that if a particular faction doesn't identify itself as "Ahl-e-Sunnah", it does not make it a "non-Muslim" creed.

I think you might have misread or im not getting you exactly. Still, the only point I wish to raise here is that he didnt say all shi'ites are out of the fold of Islam cause the sub-sects are different. He specifically pointed out 'the Shi’ite Rafidi'. I could post some of the beliefs/sayings of the Rafidah from thier own books but i dont want to cause I consider some of them a bit R-rated.
and Allaah knows best.

[n4h1z]

Peace to everna and all..



Welcome everna...firstly i would like to congratulate you for your effort in seeking Faith. Last time I read a good book written by a Muslim revert but it is in Malay language. I don’t know if there is any English version. The book is mainly on the questions, answers and misconception on the newly revert. Anyway i'll try to extract some core points and translate it in english (pls mind my English). These points should be attended not only converts/reverts but also every muslimin and muslimah.



When we confront with a person who intends to convert/revert to Islam, firstly we should be grateful to Allah for we are given the opportunity to carry out a major task in service to Islam and surely the reward is unimaginable from Allah. But most of us, firstly, took privilege in unnecessary things. I.e. Are they sincere in their intention to embrace Islam? What about circumcision?, what is the suitable name for him/her? Which school of thought / sect should be followed? Will they be able to do the 5 prayers everyday? Like it or not this is what usually happens. In the end this will create problems which certainly not helping the reverting person. Worst, we might have sin for our own carelessness and stupidity.

Basically there’s 12 things should be done immediately when we confront a person who intends to convert/revert to Islam.



1. Teach the reverting person to say the “Syahadah” and its’ meaning. Teach it word by word so that the revert will not find any difficulty in it. It is better if there is somebody to witness it. This is the spiritual conversion, which is the most important. Suppose that the convert died unexpectedly after uttering the “syahadah” he/she is and already a muslim and deserves a muslim burial.



2. Ask whether his/her family knows about his/ her reverting to Islam. If they (family) know then we should acknowledge them that we are ready to help him/her in converting/reverting to Islam. It is better if the family can be present. If the family refutes the conversion, we’ll help to acknowledge them at a right time later on.



3. Bring him/her to the right authority to be officially converted on documents and registers. I.e. Imam at the Masjid, Islamic council, state council etc, etc. This is to help them officially recognized as a muslim by the state council/department.



4. Help them to choose a suitable muslim name. Ask them whether they already have their own choice or not. If yes make sure that the name is a muslim name and has a good meaning. If they haven’t made their choice, consult them. It is permissible and encouraged in Islam to retain the family name. This shows that Islam recognizes the family bond between the converts/reverts and their families even though their religion and faith is now different.



5. Teach them how to take the wudhu’ or ablution. This is important as we all know before the 5 daily prayers, taking the wudhu’ is compulsory. Islam emphasizes self hygiene very much as well as clean appearance.



6. Help them to find a suitable place to stay temporarily. As a newly convert / revert, sometimes it is hard for their family to accept them especially in cases where by parents disapprove their children’s conversion to Islam. Nevertheless the newly converts needs to be thought and give guidance on the basic tenets of Islam; 5 prayers, wudhu’(ablution), fasting, etc etc. I’ am sure there is some muslim family who would be happy to offer a helping hand and be the converts foster family.



7. Help them to memorize the Sura al-Fatihah. Remember memorizing is not reading, both are different methods of learning. It's impossible for newly converts to read the Quran unless they have learnt it b4. It is sufficient for the time being for them to memorize the al-fatihah because by reciting it in the Salah (prayers) is enough for their salah to be accounted as Sah (accepted).



8. Help them to acknowledge their families regarding their conversion to Islam. This is one of the hardest part. Sometimes the family could become aggressive and can resort to physical contact. But if it is done in the kindest and most appropriate way, I believe there wouldn’t be much problem. One useful tip: If possible bring along some friends of the same faith. Better, if that friend is a convert/revert himself. Even better if that friend is a much senior convert/revert. This is because, senior converts/reverts is much more experienced in confronting the converts’ family members and they just might be more acceptable.



9. Help them in their work / studies. If he/she is a student, help and give them support s that their academics won’t fluctuates. If they are working, ask them whether they have any problems at their work place.



10. Help them to get charity; zakat and alms. Help them to raise fund for their basic needs if they have financial problems. Bring them to the nearest Baitulmal (Islamic treasury unit) to be eligible to receive zakat. Most converts/reverts prefer not to trouble others with their financial state. In some cases, parents of the newly converts disown them and they no longer receive financial support from their parents. The impact is greater if the newly convert came from a rich family. Little charity like this will help them ease the pressure they’re facing.



11. Spread the good news to their friends either muslims or non-muslims. No need to announce it in the monthly bulletin, just enough by telling the nearest person to you. The word will spread by it self.



12. Follow up with them and help them as possible. Your duty towards them doesn’t end here. Don’t leave them wondering what to do next and remain in confusion. Contact them often, through emails or pay them a visit. Ask if they need any help or do they have any problems adapting to a new faith. Be patient with al the hardship.



There you have it. These are the immediate things to be focus on when someone intends to convert to Islam. The path will be full of obstacle. But as a Muslim we must have strong will and faith that it’s only a test from Almighty Allah to see our willingness to be at His service. As long as the convert / revert practice Islam throughout his life as a result of out patience, endless support etc etc...surely Allah will grant us with His abundance reward.


Peace...

[n4h1z]

Salam...

I would also like to say something to my brothers in this thread. I don't think it would be a right thing to do to introduce some sects to newly converts. C'mon give eve a break. She's like a little child in becoming a muslim ...not even a child...a foetus...and yet you guys are trying to feed her with all the Big Macs and double cheeseburger. Give her milk, so it is easier for her to digest. Can't you guys even think. I'am not against salafi/wahabi at all...there is nothing wrong at all with wahabiism because i know it is solely based on the Quran and sunnah. But please don't be too excited promoting it. We must think of what effect our action might have on Islams' image. What i can see so far in this thread, you guys are fighting each other over something which is not answering the main question...what is this all?!?!?! it really disgust me....i'am very sorry to say this....If Muslims can't even unite amongst themselves don't even dream of uniting the Ummah from all over the world. You can dream on seeing the glory of Islam like what it was in the past..we already have enough problems in the middle east, Iraq, chechnya and the terorrist label on Islam.....[Inappropriate language removed].... I'am sorry for being a bit emotional....i'am sooo saddened. This is as reminder to, especially myself and my bros and sis..
its time to unite,
Time to ignore our differences,
Time to bring together our similarities,
Time to show love not hatred,
Time to abide ourselves with the Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad Salallah Hu'alaihi Wassalam,
Time to bear witness that THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH...
And it's Time to praise Allah....ALLAHUAKBAR!!!!


***May Allah bless us all...Peace be upon you all brothers and sisters***

[Jibran]

I would also like to say something to my brothers in this thread. I don't think it would be a right thing to do to introduce some sects to newly converts.

its time to unite,
Time to ignore our differences,
Time to bring together our similarities,
Time to show love not hatred,
Time to abide ourselves with the Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad Salallah Hu'alaihi Wassalam

Assalamu Alaikum,

I agree with you more than 100% what you said regarding the Introduction of a particular sect to non-muslims as well as the need for us Muslims to unite in this age of chaos.

But, I would like to suggest that, please re-read the posts and find out who tried to reconciliate and promote unity and who did opposite.

Wallahu Aalam

May Allah guide all His creation to His True Path and keeps those who are on the True Path. Amen

Jibran