Door-To-Door Missionaries

[mee]

Originally Posted by greymare

Pattimax, thanks for clarifying that for me. Its hard to get out of some people the information that you need without getting a whole heap of quotes. thanks again.

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I like to stick to what the bible teaches then we cant go wrong . at the end of the day the bible is what it is all about for christians .



and all of Jehovahs people stick to the bible , it is the way to go .

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

They are not! Get over yourself. JW's are seen as messed-up Christians.

i think that just as Jesus was not seen as representing God , ( by the religious leaders of the time) so today the religious leaders are in the forfront when it comes to turning people away from Gods channel (JW) MATTHEW 24;45-47


Just as Jesus was inline with Gods purpose , so Jehovahs witnesses are in line with the bible and what it teaches , but there are many in opposition to Gods purpose, and many who are misled to be in opposition to Jehovahs witnessess.


yes the distinction between one who serves God ,and one who does not serve God, becomes clearer and clearer.


I go to the channel that Jesus is feeding because it is serving up good bible based spiritual food and it is very good food .


but then it would be, it is right out of the hand of Jesus matthew 24;45-47 .
Because God’s people cleave to the Bible and share its comforting message with others, they diffuse an incenselike “sweet odor” of life that gives pleasure to Jehovah. But to unrighteous individuals, the bearers of that message emit, according to the J. B. Phillips’ translation, “the deathly smell of doom.” Yes, the figurative sense of smell of the wicked has been so distorted by Satan’s system of things that they feel uncomfortable or even hostile in the presence of those diffusing the “sweet odor of Christ.” On the other hand, those zealously spreading the good news become “a sweet odor of Christ among those who are being saved.” (2 Corinthians 2:14-16) Such honesthearted ones are often disgusted with the hypocrisy and religious lies that characterize false religion. Thus, when we open God’s Word and share with them the Kingdom message, they feel drawn to Christ and want to learn more.—John 6:44.



so even though many are misled by religious leaders to think that Jehovahs witnesses are the lowest of the low it does not matter, because honesy hearted ones see that we have the truth

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by mee

would you say that sticking to the teachings of Jesus is evil ,? because JW stick very close to what Jesus said and obey the commands of Jesus .

i do not see that as evil i see it as good . its good to know that Jesus has a faithful class that he can direct and give responsibility too matthew 24;45-47. faithfulness leads to great blessings .

Where did Jesus ever state heaven or hell as a definitive fate for someone? Even with the stronger worded verses like Matthew 23:33, it is posed as a question. He defines or judges critical steps but nowhere did he judge for someone whether or not they are going to heaven or hell. From the other side of it: Matthew 19:21 "... If you want to be perfect..." Important steps, but at every level it is a choice. The reward for rightful choices, "...you will have treasure in heaven."

Stating some number... 144,000? That is opposed to Jesus' teaching and purpose.

Matthew 6:20 Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

If it is Jesus' teaching to store up treasures in heaven, then who is preaching counter to Jesus' teaching, and instead telling people whether they are, or are not, going to heaven?

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

If it is Jesus' teaching to store up treasures in heaven, then who is preaching counter to Jesus' teaching, and instead telling people whether they are, or are not, going to heaven?

What do you think these treasures are? Good works?

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by pattimax

What do you think these treasures are? Good works?

I'd say that depends on the person. Different people treasure differently.

[pattimax]

That approach is popular...but are you sure it's true?

[Xavier Breath]

Originally Posted by mee

I go to the channel that Jesus is feeding because it is serving up good bible based spiritual food and it is very good food .


but then it would be, it is right out of the hand of Jesus matthew 24;45-47 .
Because God’s people cleave to the Bible and share its comforting message with others, they diffuse an incenselike “sweet odor” of life that gives pleasure to Jehovah. But to unrighteous individuals, the bearers of that message emit, according to the J. B. Phillips’ translation, “the deathly smell of doom.” Yes, the figurative sense of smell of the wicked has been so distorted by Satan’s system of things that they feel uncomfortable or even hostile in the presence of those diffusing the “sweet odor of Christ.” On the other hand, those zealously spreading the good news become “a sweet odor of Christ among those who are being saved.” (2 Corinthians 2:14-16) Such honesthearted ones are often disgusted with the hypocrisy and religious lies that characterize false religion. Thus, when we open God’s Word and share with them the Kingdom message, they feel drawn to Christ and want to learn more.—John 6:44.

What Bible, exactly, are you quoting?
Matthew 24: 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find him so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. KJV
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2 Corinthians 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: KJV

How 'bout quoting this: "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no not the angels of Heaven, but my Father only." Matthew 24:36 KJV
or
"7 And they asked him saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not after them. 9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified; for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by." Luke 21 KJV

[mee]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Stating some number... 144,000? That is opposed to Jesus' teaching and purpose.

sticking to true bible teachings is the way to go , and Jesus is revealing and giving understanding especially in the last days .


And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. REVELATION 14;1


“Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.”—LUKE 12:32.
Yes, the 144,000 is a little flock who will be with Jesus in heaven .


but Jesus said that he would have other sheep who would also listen to his voice ,and the other sheep do not have a number they are a GREAT CROWD REVELATION 7;9-10 ....
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

JOHN 10;16
And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.






these are the ones that will get through the GREAT TRIBULATION REVELATION 7;14
So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one that knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Their hope is not to go to heaven ,it is to inherit the earth .


Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. MATTHEW 5;5

[mee]

Originally Posted by Xavier Breath

Matthew 24: 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find him so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. KJV
and

Yes, who REALLY is the faithful class that is giving out good healthy spiritual food , that feeds us well to be stong and healthy in a spiritual way?


i have found them ,and Jesus has put them in charge of great responsibility, even ALL his belongings .


when Jesus came into kingdom power in the time of the end ,he saw that there was a FAITHFUL class, so he has blessed that faithful class .


but Jesus will not come back in the flesh and blood on the earth gain ,he doesnt need too.


so if any one says oh look there is Jesus, it will not be Jesus at all.

he will not come back to the earth .

but he will soon go into action and remove those in opposition to Gods purpose for the earth.

And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44



Jesus is in kingdom power and he is a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom, that was set up and established in 1914 inline with bible prophecy and chronology



we are well along and the signs of the times are upon us.

[bible_reader]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Where did Jesus ever state heaven or hell as a definitive fate for someone? Even with the stronger worded verses like Matthew 23:33, it is posed as a question. He defines or judges critical steps but nowhere did he judge for someone whether or not they are going to heaven or hell. From the other side of it: Matthew 19:21 "... If you want to be perfect..." Important steps, but at every level it is a choice. The reward for rightful choices, "...you will have treasure in heaven."

Stating some number... 144,000? That is opposed to Jesus' teaching and purpose.

Matthew 6:20 Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

If it is Jesus' teaching to store up treasures in heaven, then who is preaching counter to Jesus' teaching, and instead telling people whether they are, or are not, going to heaven?

Uhhh I think that verse has to do with faith in God. Not being materialistic, but spiritualistic.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by bible_reader

Uhhh I think that verse has to do with faith in God. Not being materialistic, but spiritualistic.

So do you think it is faith in God, or a spiritualistic treasure, telling others whether or not they are going to heaven?

[bible_reader]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

So do you think it is faith in God, or a spiritualistic treasure, telling others whether or not they are going to heaven?

Why would the point of Earth be if Heaven was our goal? Earth wasnt created for nothing. Only a select few will rule with Christ in Heaven. Besides, who are we to say that when people die they will go to Heaven? That would go against certain passages that say that one's thoughts perish upon Death.

[mee]

Originally Posted by bible_reader

. Only a select few will rule with Christ in Heaven.

true, that is why Jesus called them a LITTLE FLOCK

“Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.”—LUKE 12:32.

Jesus was speaking to his disciples, and he called them a “little flock.” He was also speaking to those to whom Jehovah would give the kingdom.

and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, LUKE 22;29