do you know God by name

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

the spiritual Jews are known for making known his name ,it is as if they have that name on their foreheads for all to see. and it is very visible .
"And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads." (Revelation 14:1) yes they are not ashamed to bear that name .

I am a Christian, of Judeac base/background...but I make no claim to being a "spiritual Jew". I am neither of the tribe of Judah, nor of the blood, nor am I a religious person who claims the Jewish faith.

I think that is something Y'all made up for whatever reasons...

But it has no merit in scripture.

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[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, mee!
With all due respect, the name of the Most High cannot be pronounced with a "J," due to the simple fact that letter is a very recent literary invention. Likewise, if we are on about "proper" names, neither can the Christian Messiah's name be pronounced as "Jesus" for precisely the same reason. Or John, or James, or Jedediah for that matter. The letter "j" was invented more than 1500 years after "Jesus" died. So I find it striking that one can go on and on about remaining "true" to words and letters that didn't exist at the time they were initially written, even (especially!) if the original authors were Divinely Inspired. What we have and hold and read and take to heart are translations of translations, with a lot of nuance left out. I know you have argued in the past of the integrity of the translators for the translation you prefer, and I do not here question their integrity, perhaps they did not see or understand. At least in the 1611 KJV I have in my library, the commission of learned scholars wrote letters to the King and to the people stating emphatically that they did the best they could with what they knew, but that a great amount of the text they were dealing with (the Textus Receptus) was not convenient to English translation, and that the linguistics by necessity had to be adjusted to read better in English.

Point being, for proper pronunciation of Hebrew, Greek and Chaldee words, I would advise the scholar (aka: seeker of truth) to return to those languages and pronounce the words in their native tongue(s). Of course, this is highly problematic when dealing specifically with the name of the Most High, considering the *Commandment* not to take His Name in vain. This is not just a Jewish thing, it is incumbent upon all Abrahamic traditions. Suffice it to say, "Jehovah" is at best an English corruption of the Name of the Most High. I'm sorry, but that is the historical and linguistic fact on the matter.

I applaud your tenacity. I merely feel it is misdirected. But then, we all have our own issues to deal with, yes?

The letter "V" wasn't used either...at least not in the Middle east.

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I am a Christian, of Judeac base/background...but I make no claim to being a "spiritual Jew". I am neither of the tribe of Judah, nor of the blood, nor am I a religious person who claims the Jewish faith.

I think that is something Y'all made up for whatever reasons...

But it has no merit in scripture.

v/r

Q

As you are not a spiritual Jew ,then you most be one of the potential OTHER SHEEP that Jesus said would listen to his voice John 10;16 and these other sheep are a great crowd Indeed from all nations .
REVELATION 7;9-10 And even though this numberless crowd is great , more sheep are still to be added to this crowd . And this crowd will be on the side of the Almighty when the great day of JEHOVAH happens .But 144,000 spiritual Jews who are also from all nations, will be going to heaven to rule with Jesus in the kingdom .
"Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."—LUKE 12:32.
That is why Jesus called them a little flock, because compared to the GREAT CROWD of other sheep it is a small number .
nolonger is circumcision in the flesh needed to identify spiritual Jews, or the fact that they come from Abrahams loins , but circumcision of the heart proves a person to be a true Jew in God’s sight. and these ones are from all nations . And yes, some of them are fleshly Jews but that is not important any longer they have circumcised their hearts so to speak (Deut. 10:16; 30:6; Jer. 4:4)
For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation [is something]. And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God. GALATIANS 6;15-16
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.GALATIANS 3;28-29
Jesus Christ pointed out to the religious leaders of Judaism who had rejected him: "The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits." (Matt. 21:43) That nation proved to be the nation of spiritual Israel, composed of both Jews and non-Jews who accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord. .................... These are the ones that will be going to heaven to rule with Jesus .
And they sing a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."REVELATION 5;9-10

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dondi

How do you pronounce that Name, mee?

As i am English it would have to be in English .PSALM 83;18

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

When I read the name written on their forheads, I see it as the scripture that refers to your eye being singular, your thought so focused, it is the first thing on your mind, in the forefront of all

Yes, you are right about that, their focus really has been that great name. And they really have brought it to the fore ,and their focus has not diminished. they have even put that great name back into the bible where it rightly belongs. and their focus has always been on the name of the most high JEHOVAH
psalm 83;18 and their focus has always been to remain faithful to that God of the bible by not watering down his standards and ways. yes they have been very focused indeed .

[mee]

Originally Posted by Neemai

I've never really thought of name as defining someone in their entirety, or that even being the purpose of a name? Isn't a name basically a word which distinguishes one person from another? - In which case, for those who believe God to be a personal deity what would be the problem in having a name/s to distinguish Him from other living beings?

If God is an omnipotent, but yet loving personality, he might quite enjoy having a host of names given to him by the various people throughout the universe?


... Neemai

Gods name has great meaning behind it . It means ,(HE CAUSES TO BECOME)
(Je·ho´vah) [the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Heb. verb ha·wah´ (become); meaning "He Causes to Become"].

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dondi

And some call Him names that aren't really nice.

very true , and some have an attitude like Pharoah.
Defiance apparently moved him to say "I do not know Jehovah at all." he said this after asking this following question .....
"WHO is Jehovah?"
Pharaoh wanted no answer to his question.
But Pharaoh and all Egypt would soon learn that Jehovah is the true God.
Similarly today, Jehovah will make his name and Godship known to everyone on the earth. (Ezekiel 36:23)

[mee]

Originally Posted by JosephM

When having an interaction with God, it is not a human relationship as the article supposes that requires a personal name. Since God knows even before we ask, it is not necessary to address or limit God to a personal name as if God were an individual.

A certain one of his disciples said to him: ‘Lord, teach us how to pray.’LUKE 11:1. in his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus had provided his disciples with a model upon which to base their prayers. (Matthew 6:9-13) Possibly this particular disciple was not present at that time, so Jesus kindly repeated the essential points of that model prayer
The opening petition immediately puts first things first. It states: "Let your name be sanctified." (Matthew 6:9) Yes, the sanctification of Jehovah’s name should be of primary concern to us because we love him and hate to see all the reproach that has been heaped upon his name. Satan’s rebellion and his inducing the first human couple to disobey Jehovah God slandered His name by calling into question the way God was exercising his universal sovereignty. (Genesis 3:1-6) Furthermore, through the centuries, Jehovah’s name has been reproached by the shameful acts and teachings of those claiming to represent him.
Our prayer for the sanctification of Jehovah’s name shows where we stand on the issue of universal sovereignty—squarely behind Jehovah’s right to govern the universe.
The second petition in the model prayer is: "Let your kingdom come." (Matthew 6:10) This request is closely related to the preceding one. Jehovah’s instrument for sanctifying his holy name is the Messianic Kingdom, his heavenly government, of which his Son, Jesus Christ, is the duly appointed King. (Psalm 2:1-9)

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

kind of reminds me of going to the store, you see a kid looking for his parents, they call out DAD!!! or MOM!!! they never call out AL!!! or MARIA!!! the kids call them by a more intimate name that reflects they are their child.

yes we can have a very personal relationship with Jehovah,........ nice

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

When was the last time you read something not from the WT?

LOL i am glad to say that i always keep myself up to date with good spiritual food from the channel that Jesus is feeding matthew 24;45-47 . and it is very tasty indeed , with bits of enlightenment thrown in to make it really tasty

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

and haven't I read that the Aramaic name Jesus used was more akin to Daddy than it was to Father? That as you intimate it was more intimate...not formal, separate, on a pedestal 'Father' but loving, curl up in the easy chair and let's go play ball 'Daddy'

Addressing Jehovah as "our Father" denotes a warm, trusting relationship
Spirit-begotten Christians are adopted as "God’s sons," and to him they can "cry out: ‘Abba, Father!’" (Romans 8:14, 15)

[mee]

The name first appeared in an English Bible in 1530, when William Tyndale published a translation of the first five books of the Bible. In this he included the name of God, usually spelled Iehouah, in several verses,

Genesis 15:2; Exodus 6:3; 15:3; 17:16; 23:17; 33:19; 34:23; Deuteronomy 3:24. Tyndale also included God’s name in Ezekiel 18:23 and 36:23, in his translations that were added at the end of The New Testament, Antwerp, 1534.

and in a note in this edition he wrote: "Iehovah is God’s name . . . Moreover as oft as thou seist LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing) it is in Hebrew Iehovah." From this the practice arose of using Jehovah’s name in just a few verses and writing "LORD" or "GOD" in most other places where the Tetragrammaton occurs in the Hebrew text.

In 1611 what became the most widely used English translation, the Authorized Version, was published. In this, the name appeared four times in the main text. (Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4) "Jah," a poetic abbreviation of the name, appeared in Psalm 68:4. And the name appeared in full in place-names such as "Jehovah-jireh." (Genesis 22:14; Exodus 17:15; Judges 6:24) However, following the example of Tyndale, the translators in most instances substituted "LORD" or "GOD" for God’s name. But if God’s name could appear in four verses, why could it not appear in all the other thousands of verses that contain it in the original Hebrew?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Dondi

And some call Him names that aren't really nice.

lolz.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by mee

As i am English it would have to be in English .PSALM 83;18

Mee, I guess where I was going with this is what juantoo3 posted concerning the fact that there was no "J" in the original greek, so that would mean that Jehovah is an incorrect rendering for the Name of God if you want to be accurate.

Which does bring up the question, should we be using the original pronounciation of God and Jesus in our praise and worship, or is it enough that we understand the concept behind the names we are familiar in our own language? Muslims, for example, would tell you that you do not receive the purest form of the Qu'ran unless it is in Arabic, which they claim is the heavenly language, if I'm not mistaken, and rendered as such by Gabriel when dictating to Muhammed. By the same token, the names of God, and many other concepts found in the Old Testament are difficult to translate and are best understood in the original Hebrew. Would you agree?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dondi

Mee, I guess where I was going with this is what juantoo3 posted concerning the fact that there was no "J" in the original greek, so that would mean that Jehovah is an incorrect rendering for the Name of God if you want to be accurate.

Which does bring up the question, should we be using the original pronounciation of God and Jesus in our praise and worship, or is it enough that we understand the concept behind the names we are familiar in our own language? Muslims, for example, would tell you that you do not receive the purest form of the Qu'ran unless it is in Arabic, which they claim is the heavenly language, if I'm not mistaken, and rendered as such by Gabriel when dictating to Muhammed. By the same token, the names of God, and many other concepts found in the Old Testament are difficult to translate and are best understood in the original Hebrew. Would you agree?

How

Is God’s Name Pronounced?

The truth is, nobody knows for sure how the name of God was originally pronounced. Why not? Well, the first language used in writing the Bible was Hebrew, and when the Hebrew language was written down, the writers wrote only consonants—not vowels. Hence, when the inspired writers wrote God’s name, they naturally did the same thing and wrote only the consonants.
While ancient Hebrew was an everyday spoken language, this presented no problem. The pronunciation of the Name was familiar to the Israelites and when they saw it in writing they supplied the vowels without thinking (just as, for an English reader, the abbreviation "Ltd." represents "Limited" and "bldg." represents "building").
Two things happened to change this situation. First, a superstitious idea arose among the Jews that it was wrong to say the divine name out loud; so when they came to it in their Bible reading they uttered the Hebrew word ’Adho·nai´ ("Sovereign Lord"). Further, as time went by, the ancient Hebrew language itself ceased to be spoken in everyday conversation, and in this way the original Hebrew pronunciation of God’s name was eventually forgotten.
In order to ensure that the pronunciation of the Hebrew language as a whole would not be lost, Jewish scholars of the second half of the first millennium C.E. invented a system of points to represent the missing vowels, and they placed these around the consonants in the Hebrew Bible. Thus, both vowels and consonants were written down, and the pronunciation as it was at that time was preserved.

When it came to God’s name, instead of putting the proper vowel signs around it, in most cases they put other vowel signs to remind the reader that he should say ’Adho·nai´. From this came the spelling Iehouah, and, eventually, Jehovah became the accepted pronunciation of the divine name in English. This retains the essential elements of God’s name from the Hebrew original