Do Masters exist?

[Bruce Michael]

Presumably so. History teaches us that.


Hi Companions,

Also when you look about the world today there are those who have mastered all kinds of skills and knowledge- this is evident.

"The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master."

Luke 6:40

Here is part of a discourse from the Brothers:

"We would differ on the term "spiritual equality" as a given to us being all teachers and pupils - for this, that in relation to development it is a misnomer. If there is anything Heaven is bereft of when it comes to the individual beings of hierarchies (so named for a purpose) or simply in the divisionings of men, it is spiritual 'equality'. That we have an individual distinction is shared, and are loved by God regardless of our many differences is shared, but in no sense can we assume an equality, as being upon being cannot be placed into comparisons or likenesses - having individual attributes fractioned from God with unequal portion and proportion.

"Without the comprehension of that position in which we hold to our deficiencies, then we have no means to correct them and no gifts worth giving to pass on. 'Following' per se is not honourable within itself, but rather what glorious light we may choose to follow in an otherwise murkitroyd world denotes its worth. "

So following in itself is not a virtue.

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Br. Bruce

[dot]

Does master exist?
Yes he does.

Where does he exist?
The master prevails In once thought emotional and physical planes.

We are aware that of many masters in physical plane but how come in thought and emotional?
You are right; when it comes to the thought and emotional plane, let me put it this way.
Our mind is a cluster of thoughts and of when you categorize them you call a class of thought to be an attribute of a sub personality in you. so any of sub personality can become a master to the other. This is a tricky and very subjective. For our understanding purposes we shall take an example of a person, who would like too quit smoking.
If we look into this person, there I a sub personality that has something to do with smoothing, and the other who would like to quit smoking. Now each could be teaching lessons to the each other irrespective to the aim of the doer. But being biased or keeping on different higher priority level. Once seems to appear as master.
When it comes to heaven and hell in that person, the one who Is more bonded or uses more energy to win its will, is in hell and the one who has the attributes of love, forgiving faith compassion and dealing with the each other are in heaven, here hell and heaven are comparatively referred but not absolute meaning.
The day both these persons evolve to an state of salvation then they found their exit, or I could also refer this as the lesson or karmic debt is nullified.
Like these two if all the sub personalities evolve, then the person who contains these evolved beings become liberated.
Master is one that leads, so it’s a relative context of referring. This is has nothing to do with age, sex or anything. No one ranks them, they get ranked by others automatically. And its not their intend to get ranked but the third persons perception is interpreted as ranking. This reminds me a quote that I came across recently, “if the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite”

I bow down to my dear sir, and offer my prayers “Guru brahma guru Vishnu guru devo maheshvaraha, Guru sakshath parabhrahma, tasmai shree gurave namaha.
Guru sarasvathi, guru Lakshmi guru devo parvathihi, guru sakshath para shakthihi, tasmai shree gurave namaha”

[AndrewX]

How do your quotes relate to the question, "Do Masters exist?" Shouldn't you have entitled this thread, "Does following a Master make oneself holy?"

Hmmmm ...

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by Bruce Michael

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Quote:

"We would differ on the term "spiritual equality" as a given to us being all teachers and pupils - for this, that in relation to development it is a misnomer. If there is anything Heaven is bereft of when it comes to the individual beings of hierarchies (so named for a purpose) or simply in the divisionings of men, it is spiritual 'equality'. That we have an individual distinction is shared, and are loved by God regardless of our many differences is shared, but in no sense can we assume an equality, as being upon being cannot be placed into comparisons or likenesses - having individual attributes fractioned from God with unequal portion and proportion.
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</B>Br. Bruce

Bruce,

It seems to me that the writer is looking with carnal eyes on that which is impermanent. Perhaps I do not see this 'unequal portion and proportions'. Instead it seems to me that all fits together perfectly and what one may define as unequal in portion or proportion is mere illusion and not unequal but rather different necessary parts to a perfect and complete puzzle. Just a view to consider.

Love and Peace,
JM

[Neemai]

The true master is a servant to all.

... Neemai

[LeoSalinas22]

Mark 9:35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.

[AndrewX]

Perhaps it would be good, in connection with the question of spiritual relationship vs. spiritual progress, to examine this page (and related pages, linked at the bottom) on The Principle of Essential Divinity. I think it's very helpful in clarifying this issue.


In brief:

Essential Divinity is the fundamental essence found at the heart of all things, the Spirit Within, the Inner Fire, the "most basic reality of all."

Once awakened we begin to see the Divinity in all things, and as the light naturally attracts and cultivates the growing plant, we begin to cultivate Divinity within ourselves and in all around us, seeing ever more clearly the Divine Plan and Purpose working in and through all that is.

As we become ever more aware of the Divine in all, we welcome and cooperate with an ever–growing number of beings on the path of evolution, and we in turn are welcomed and cooperated with.

[wil]

You know you are enlightened when everyone you see, you see as enlightened. ~Dali Lama


So I go to the mall to see how far I have to go. ~Butch, my minister


I see divinity in everyone....but not enlightenment. ~wil

[China Cat Sunflower]

Do the masters exist? You mean like Kathumi and Matreiya? I personally haven't seen any compelling reason to regard them as more than organizational archetypes similar to the Greek pantheon. I don't see any harm in constructing such a pantheon, it certainly has the potential to be an efficient tool in one's metaphysical explorations. I just have a hard time remembering all the names and attributes, so I keep my stuff tied to simpler systems of thought.

Chris

[Nick the Pilot]

Chris,


You said,

"I just have a hard time remembering all the names and attributes...."

--> I do too. I find the Masters' philosophy to be the most complicated philosophy I have ever studied. Nevertheless, I stick to it, because I have not found any flaw within it.

[China Cat Sunflower]

That's cool Nick! I mean, whatever works, right?

Chris