Do angels have free will?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by endtimes

Yes, I too, agree that angels are created beings, not just thought or metaphor. But how do you explain Paul's question in 1 Cor 6:3? "Know ye not that we shall judge angels?" (KJV) Even though we (including Jesus) are made "a little lower than the angels." (Ps 8:5 ; Heb 2:7,9)

This appears to mean that the angels, too, shall be judged at the 2nd coming, does it not? With Jesus at the Right Hand of the Father...(Mark 16:19 ; Luke 22:69 ; Acts 7:56 ; Rom 8:34 ; Colossians 3:1 ; Heb 12:2 ; 1 Pet 3:22)

May I ask your references for the belief that the angels have been judged prior to the creation? I would like to study this further...

And thank you for the welcome, as I look forward to having many discussions on this board : )

What is there to judge? Man will stand in judgement of Angels...how hard is that to accept? Only certain Angels do not want this to happen.

but then, what do I know?

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[queenofsheba]

Normally, angels don't have a free will, because they are different emanations of God. Otherwise, christianity would be polytheistic.

One day, God decided to give one angel a free will and that one became the fallen angel, because it wanted to be bigger than God.

[endtimes]

Originally Posted by queenofsheba

Normally, angels don't have a free will, because they are different emanations of God. Otherwise, christianity would be polytheistic.

One day, God decided to give one angel a free will and that one became the fallen angel, because it wanted to be bigger than God.

Excellent point, (about the polytheism), queenofsheba! Thank you for the insight : )

[Staffy]

In Islam angels have free will.......Only the only angel who chose to be arogant and self rightous is oblis(Shaytan)..........From my understanding anyway Take it easy guys and girls............Staffy

[Satanist]

I think that angels are collectivist servitor beings. A hive mind of creatures that are just aspects of the God, they don't have a free will.

The angels are basically polyteistic gods.

The angels orginated in chaos before God, and after the deluge
they merged into one God spread through seven heavenly kingdom
as he created a new world in seven days after deluge not before.
(The seven-fold genesis story is older than monoteism
and the story of the deluge is older than both).
Becouse of the deluge nobody remembered the culture or religion before the water and it seemed like the world was ceated for the first time.


Together they formed a unity that is the unified aspect of God
and the all the other poly Gods are the non-unified aspect of god
percieved as fallen angels.

The fallen angels are the gods that refused this sacrifice of individuality and are therefore free.

So angels do not have free will, only God himself and the fallen angels have free will.

[Quahom1]

That is an interesting perspective...


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[Satanist]

Is it relevant to imagine that since we are discussing angels not any particular religion.

If A. The angels are aspects of a monistic diety formed by the collective
of all the angels.


If B. There is a dualism between opposites.
Monism in on end and polyism in the other end.


What are then the fallen angels to God?
Would that mean that God is not allmighty or is the chaos another aspect of God?
What there is a chaotic and childlish side of God
or is there other Multiple Monotheist Hosts of angels in the other end?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Satanist

Is it relevant to imagine that since we are discussing angels not any particular religion.

If A. The angels are aspects of a monistic diety formed by the collective
of all the angels.


If B. There is a dualism between opposites.
Monism in on end and polyism in the other end.


What are then the fallen angels to God?
Would that mean that God is not allmighty or is the chaos another aspect of God?
What there is a chaotic and childlish side of God
or is there other Multiple Monotheist Hosts of angels in the other end?

Or, that the angels expressed an idea to be individualists, after knowing the plan of the "God", and this contradicted the will of said God. Is it a childish concept for the creator to want his creation to adhere to his original designs? If the original designs fail, is it childish to work with the failed part, in order to prevent similar failures in the future (the end goal still in sight and salvagable)?

Interesting thoughts.

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[Lot]

Angels do have free will. If not, why would they need to be judged? If they were created as robots, programed to do God's will, they would just do that, until the end. But I beleive it is Paul who tells us that for a little while, we are lower than the angels, but we will judge them.

The jinn is another branch of the hybrid race called the nephilum. This is unfair however, because there are more branches to the childeren of the fallen angels anyway. They were like different tribes of offspring. The genni of the lamp is a common and modern incarnation of the jinn.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Above every blade of grass there is an angel urging: "grow, grow!"

Chris

[Virtual_Cliff]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Some have said that man, having this free will can choose to either believe in God or not. But what kind of choice is this? To many who believe in an ultimate reality, or Divine Presence,this would be akin to a fish not believing in water!

I've just caught up with this thread. Extraordinary! This is the same metaphor that I have used myself BUT to show almost the opposite.

The point is: if you asked a fish, it would have absolutely no idea what water was. Leaving aside the floor of the ocean, water is all around the fish since birth. It breathes water. It is mostly made of water. Its whole world is water. Water is immanent and transcendant, like God.

We are in the same relationship to God as the fish is to water.

[flowperson]

Cliff:
I personally have missed you here.

Yes, it's about the relationship of fish to water. But on a wider basis, it's really about the relationship of all levels of accessable quantum worlds with each other.

The Russians depict this by making nested dolls.

When my Dad passed last spring he was cremated, and now I think of myself as breathing a little of his essence in and out with each breath I take each day and night. In some very real ways he is as with me now as when I could laugh and talk with him. But belief is an important component of this sort of approach.

flow....

[17th Angel]

Did Satan?....

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by Virtual_Cliff

We are in the same relationship to God as the fish is to water.

Are we not in the same relationship to air as the fish is to water?

But fish do not reflect upon the nature of the environment, man does, so in that sense, we are in a very different relationship, are we not?

Thomas

[zeras]

Originally Posted by robocombot

Are angels created as Gods messengers and servents only, to minister to the faithful according to the will of God?

Or do angels choose freely to obey God and minister to man out of free will?

How do we explain Fallen Angels - who rejected God - unless they have free will?

Asaalaamulikum,

very good question,
I do not agree that angels have free will like mankind does,
They are the true slaves of God, They never back down or go against what
God has commanded them to do. Know on Christianity, The idea of Lucifer was likly a name give by the Greeco-Roman early Christians. Lucifer is self is word in Roman-Latin Lang. meaning morning star. While the Greeks called it the Hesperos, meaning in evening star. So their is the main reason why he is called the bright angel, Lucifer, but was that his name and was he an angel!!

You know people say the Holy Ghost now it has been changed with Holy Sprite. Now, this is talking about Jibrail {AS} aka Gabriel. Who is an Angel, no dought about this, but angels have no free will. Because, Prayer is like food for the Angels from God. They serve and they obey. Also want to add does God lie?? answer, No! What ever he says it is.

How can an Angel deny or reject God and his commandments if they are Angels?! Answer, simple they can't be Angels. you see If Lucifer was an Angel, he would never even conjure up any rejection to what God has told him. In Islam, we believe that Iblis was the name of the person that was casted way from the heaven, Why? God aka Allah {STW} told all the Angels to bow down and show respect to his creation of man, and All the Angels did,
expect for the Jinns, Which are basically sprites, They are another race, they are not and I repeat not Angel or Men. They like human beings have free will, but, they have powers, that we humans do not have. And yes there are good and bad Jinns like humans and yes they are all going to be judged on the day of Judgment. For more information please, go to the links,
sorry, that I have to leave before I finish, but
I have to go work out :-)
last words, Also The Anti-Christ is not Iblis, though he is Al-Saytian (The Satan), Which is a horrific title given to man or jinn if they are evil, we belive , The Anti-Christ is Al-Dajjal, but I will talk about this only if someone post something about him, but we are talking about Iblis, the one who rejected God.

sorry, once again I need to go work out.


salaamulikum

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