Court case against Christianity

[wizanda]

John Mark, fisher man – Disciple of Yeshua
12:1-9 And He began to speak to them by parables. A man planted a vineyard, and set a fence about it, and dug a wine-vat, and built a tower, and he let it out to vinedressers, and went away. (2) And at the season he sent a servant to the vinedressers, so that he might receive from the vinedressers the fruit of the vineyard. (3) And taking him, they beat him and sent him away empty. (4) And again he sent to them another servant. And stoning that one, they struck him in the head, and sent him away, insulting him. (5) And again he sent another. And they killed him, and many others, beating some and killing some. (6) Therefore, still having one son, his own beloved, he also sent him to them last of all, saying, they will respect my son. (7) But those vinedressers said among themselves, this is the heir! Come, let us kill him and the inheritance shall be ours. (8) And they took him and killed him and cast him out of the vineyard. (9) Therefore what will the lord of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the vinedressers and will give the vineyard to others.


John Nicodemus, Pharisee – managed to put most Jews off ever following Yeshua‘s teachings, also in the sect due to be cut off??
11:49-52 And one of them, Caiaphas, being the high priest of that year, said to them, You do not know anything at all, (50) nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation perish. (51) And he did not speak this of himself, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Yeshua should die for the nation; (52) and not for that nation only, but also that He should gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.


Matthew Tax collector – Disciple of Yeshua
9:13 but go and learn what this is; I desire mercy and not sacrifice. For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Hosea Prophet – Messenger of God
6:6 for I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew Tax collector – Disciple of Yeshua
12:7 But if you had known what this is, "I desire mercy and not sacrifice," you would not have condemned those who are not guilty.



Ephesian, Paul a Pharisee – How to destroy all he stood for? Pretend you joined him!
5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us, and has given Himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour.


Roman, Paul Pharisee – Never knew him and hated him and what he stood for also part of the sect to be cut off?
11:6 but if by grace, then it is no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it is of works, then it is no more of grace; otherwise work is no more work.


Revelations, John a Prophet, not same author as the gospel of John – Friend of Yeshua
14:13 And I heard a voice from Heaven saying to me, Write, and blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, they shall rest from their labours, and their works follow them.


Matthew Tax collector – Disciple of Yeshua
16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He shall reward each one according to his works.


Revelations, John a Prophet, not same author as the gospel of John – messengers of Yeshua
20:12-13 And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (13) And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works.



I could explain all that, if it is required yet much is in full articles on each subject to define it under every stone, which needs explaining.

Could you please advise me what needs adding preferably in scripture, as I just want to stay out of it as much as possible, if I can? If you can think of any scriptures that would fit in, to maybe help explain a point pre-advance please say. Remember though this needs to be kept not heavy as it is then postable everywhere and easy to print.


This is still a work in progress, so any advice on making it clear please say

[wizanda]

Just to make the points clear, as I have been asked to do.

1st is Christ clearly came to cut off inheritance and grace he said this; it was prophesied by Zechariah clearly.
So how can the Pharisees teach people they have an inheritance in Christ, if he tells us the ones who do this will in fact be chucked out?

Now if Christ tells us it is the ones who do the work and with this they will be judged by, how can Paul within one sentence declare you have grace which you don't and that works don’t count, that is completely declaring he is Anti-Christ as he stands against what Christ was sent for and taught?

So it is not about fixing history it is about fixing NOW!!

We have Muslims fighting as they say the Bible has been changed, this is what I can easily prove.

So if we fix the book as is foretold that we must do, we would solve so many wars all over the place, the whole issue of terror stems from Christian and Muslim problems, this has continued for 2000 years.

If you have a machine that is broken, you don't leave it and say well it has been broken for ages, so let’s leave it like that, especially if it is easy to fix.

You fix it and everything runs smoother.

[Quahom1]

You present this "evidence as" a Christian, or non-Christian? Very important to know how the court's prosecution or DA stands?

It determines whether the prosecution is unbiased or other...in which case the defense can call for a mistrial. (at least in the U.S.). In otherwords, the prosecution must be willing to accept evidence as discovered for or against the defense. I do not think you qualify, based on your previous statements. Hence I would move for a mistrial (and based on what you've provided so far...it would be granted).

v/r

Q

p.s. as a leagle beagle, I am very interested in this thread my friend. I want to play the part of the defense lawyer. Oh, and i am a christian...I just never saw this thread before.

[Quahom1]

The most derisive issue with this "trial" is that there is no judge, and no jury. If trial by jury is unacceptable, then there must be a consensus between the prosecution and the defense to have a Tribunal judge (impartial), or a single judge of neither faith (impartial). If that is not acceptable, then there is no trial (and the accused goes free). If you intend on using Sharia Law, then that is unacceptable since it is not universally accepted, and again the accused goes free. Common Law may be a way to try the "accused". But again the "judge" must have no interests in either faiths.

In short, we must have an agnostic or an atheist (one who could care less about either of the faiths).

I'm game...how about you?

v/r

Q

[wizanda]

Oh I am sorry, I am defending Yeshua, on the ground that it is foretold that he came to cut off the sects, yet they re-established them selves, yet he warned people against it and these are the books in question.

The accused are John, Simon and Paul Vs Yeshua and the rest of the Bible.

Would you like to do this, like a proper court case, as we can if you wish?

[brucegdc]

This is heading in a direction that I think is really incompatible with the code of conduct, as it's becoming a pure attack thread. Thread closed for further review.