Conversion to escape discrimination.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Francis king

Does anyone know how u go about converting in India?

Same as anywhere else I think; one takes the Precepts and Vows of the order in which you are becoming a lay member of.

I think some of the Ambedkar Vows (see above) are statements against Hinduism. Rather controversial but defended as being a being a positive statement rejecting discrimination and oppression.

s.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Francis king

and about time too, Dalits! candala of the world unite!

bit much though them having to seek official permission before they change their religion...? I would have assumed that it was up to them what they believed...? Does anyone know how u go about converting in India?

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Same as anywhere else I think; one takes the Precepts and Vows of the order in which you are becoming a lay member of.

I think some of the Ambedkar Vows (see above) are statements against Hinduism. Rather controversial but defended as being a being a positive statement rejecting discrimination and oppression.

s.

Uh-oh. From the BBC (April 2005)
State (of India) to bar religious conversion

Originally Posted by excerpts

"We will not allow anyone to convert poor and illiterate people."
Gulab Chand Kataria,
Rajasthan home minister
<snip>
State governments in India do have the power to introduce anti-conversion laws.

The southern state of Tamil Nadu had similar legislation but it was scrapped amid political controversy and opposition from religious minorities.

[seattlegal]

More uh-oh. From the current issue (May 6, 2007 edition) of the Organizer in India.
Why we should ban conversion

Originally Posted by first paragraph

Because it is the primary cause of the conflicts in the world.

Because we cannot allow the Hindus to become a minority in their own country through conversion. Because we cannot allow ourselves to become extinct through conversion. Why? Because we have a better record of concern for humanity. Because our civilisation has more to offer mankind than Islam or Christianity. Because we are committed moral beings compared to Muslims and Christians. There is yet another reason—perhaps more important: Because it is time to eliminate conversion, the primary cause of the conflicts in the world.

[Snoopy]

Hi sg and yeah uh-oh.

Just to be clear, I'm not on a pro-Buddhism soapbox here, I'm on a pro-freedom of conscience soapbox.

It's good to see "the world's largest democracy" (isn't that how India is described?) trying to control the insides of people's heads. Not.

I've been reading about Dr Ambedkar. He was India's first law minister and was the chief architect of its constitution, which supposedly guarantees equal rights for all.

s.

[juantoo3]

What was that someone said around here recently about the greatest good for the greatest number?


(*this is what you end up with...*)

[Francis king]

Thanks for posting

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

What was that someone said around here recently about the greatest good for the greatest number?


(*this is what you end up with...*)

I don't know, I haven't seen that...

...do you mean the "tyranny of the majority" ?

s.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

What was that someone said around here recently about the greatest good for the greatest number?


(*this is what you end up with...*)

2 Thess 2:3-4

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I don't know, I haven't seen that...

...do you mean the "tyranny of the majority" ?

s.

Spiritual Fascism

[Snoopy]

sg, you're like a forum archaeologist!

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Snoopy!

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I don't know, I haven't seen that...

...do you mean the "tyranny of the majority" ?

No. I was referring to another poster on another thread who was quite adamant about the benefits of utilitarianism yet refused to openly acknowledge the drawbacks.

This thread serves as a perfect example of the drawbacks of "mob rule."

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

This thread serves as a perfect example of the drawbacks of "mob rule."

Really? I thought we were all being very civil and accommodating.

s.

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Really? I thought we were all being very civil and accommodating.

s.

Touche'. I mispoke...the article highlights the problems inherent with utilitarian reasoning. The greatest good for the most Hindis necessarily means denying good for those not Hindi, or those who desire to convert from being Hindi.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

What was that someone said around here recently about the greatest good for the greatest number?


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..."needs of the Many outway the needs of the few..."

but this isn't exactly what I had in mind when I first quoted it...

[juantoo3]

Ah, dear Q!

Originally Posted by Quahom1

..."needs of the Many outway the needs of the few..."

but this isn't exactly what I had in mind when I first quoted it...

It is not you to whom I was referring. At least you understand there are times when the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many. That is distinctly *un*-utilitarian.